The Tierany of Tiers

[dancemom]

Teirtastic times ahead ....

Scotland doesn't have the highest cases in the UK.

Theres no explored the football fans. They were a bunch of fucking idiots. Now there are police with covid and isolating because of that weekend.

"Every celebration about vaccine numbers has been laced through with mealy mouthedness to avoid the Uk gov having any credit."

I've noticed this and its beyond bizarre now. Like on QT the other night KO was gushing about how well the Scottish NHS was doing with this, and carefully avoided any mention of the UK government whatsoever (who of course supplied the vaccines). Likewise when they discuss supply issues, they say things like they'll have to check the Scottish situation- err, exactly the same as the UK position as its all the same stock and we get our share! Is there still a subset of Scots who don't realise the UK procured the vaccines or something? Maybe assume SG was responsible for it, and the SNP don't want to inadvertently correct that assumption?

@StarryEyeSurprise. We are talking about the cases now. Those are the cases for the entire pandemic.

@StarryEyeSurprise we have done for the last couple of weeks of so, which as said is weird given our harsher lockdown at this time. Check the Inceases by Country, per 1million population barchart for the 4 nations on Tabby.

It looks foolish to me at this point. The EU vaccine roll out is nothing more than a shambles and I sincerely hope they get on top of their 3rd wave and get their act together for all our sakes.

Anyway, back to read the papers - gorgeous spring day here.

Starry ONS statistics using random testing days otherwise.

I wish people didn't post misinformation.

Last seven days by country @StarryEyeSurprise. Scotland also tests less than England
ONS figures from random testing show Scotland is way above England for cases. Comparing ONS testing to cases from normal testing historically shows that Scotland is actually picking up less cases from tests than the rest of the U.K.

Surely we would expect us to have slightly higher infection rate given some of our school children have now been back for weeks.

But all children are back in England and have been for two weeks now

And we've never had the massively high rates there have been in northern England in the autumn or SE England in January.

We surely must have a lower number of people in urban areas with naturally acquired immunity than areas of England where it's swept through?

English schools went back full time on 8th March. All years.

So schools don’t explain it.

I absolutely loathe Boris et all but have to say the UK government has played a blinder with the vaccine procurement, and I feel really grateful for that.

And more people are tested in schools in England as most secondary school kids, teachers and even families of primary school kids are being tested and have been tested for more than two weeks now ready for returning to school.
As older teens are more dangerous in terms of spreading England’s cases should be higher than ours if it’s just schools

You seem very certain there @WouldBeGood. How would you explain it then?

I think saying schools don't explain it is a bit presumptuous. It must be a factor. Anyone who has ever set foot in a s school and has a modicum of common sense would come to that conclusion.

So what's causing it then?

There is no denying that the Scottish strategy is not working no matter how much you want it to be otherwise.
It has worked well until now (although there is less testing in Scotland so at times our death rate has been higher than England’s when our case rates been much lower ). It’s not working now though and that’s what matters just now in terms of getting out of lockdown

@snowcoveredcampsies. If it was schools England’s cases would be rising as well but they are not

But what specifically isn't working?

If everyone is so certain that it isn't some our school kids going back earlier then what is it?

@Icannever

And more people are tested in schools in England as most secondary school kids, teachers and even families of primary school kids are being tested and have been tested for more than two weeks now ready for returning to school. As older teens are more dangerous in terms of spreading England’s cases should be higher than ours if it’s just schools

Those tests aren't counted unless they then go and get a PCR test.

Obviously schools will cause an increase in cases in both countries but England’s managed to push them down regardless. My nieces are in second year and fifth year and have had one day each back at school so far so definitely more chance of catching it at school in England.
We don’t know what’s causing it as the government won’t tell us but it was on the news recently that 2/3rds of all cases at one point were being caught in hospital/care homes so starting there might help.
Some cases (not many I’m sure) could actually be caused by Scotland’s quarantine hotel policy. Recently elderly relatives of a friend returned from Spain. They flew into London and then got buses from there to Scotland before self isolating. If they were allowed to fly into Scotland they could have gone straight home and isolated from there immediately. Quarantine hotels for everywhere makes no sense if your allowed to just fly into England and persevering with that system increases chances of catching it rather than otherwise. I’m fairly sure that is a purely political decision

@WaxOnFeckOff yes but they will pick up positive cases which will then be tested with a pcr test.

@Icannever so you don't know what it i but you're willing to surmise that it could possibly be people getting buses who might have come back from Spain. You won't entertain for a second, however, that having p1-3 in for what three more weeks than England, with no social distancing and so on might not be causing a few more cases?

That is not what I said