Guilt Free Railing Four

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The tone stays low and the railing goes on

Aaaaargh. DS back at school... bounced in this morning looking forward to seeing friends and so on. 12.30 we get a text saying the school has to close because of water supply issues, so can we collect at 1.15. And we'll let you know if we can open for the rest of the week. We are fucking cursed I tell you.

@RaspberryCoulis what’s she on? Sounds annoying.
@ResilienceWanker no way! That is awful!

Good God Deepti is worse than Devi (who at least acknowledges the harms of keeping children out of school). Talk about a narrow, extremist view!

Maybe this is why a number of different experts are consulted. All that I've seen on these threads for weeks is folk complaining that the government scientist aren't epidemiologists.

@RaspberryCoulis

She's an epidemiology expert - fine. We all know that the most effective way to stop anyone transmitting a virus is to lock everyone up forever.

Spread is not the ONLY consideration, but for Deepti it is. She isn't an expert in anything but viruses. So what she's saying is clearly skewed, but the presenters don't pick her up on that.

It would be a bit unfair if they picked her up for presenting an epidemiologists view! Presumably that's what she's there for, not to represent the government's fuller more rounded view.

Agree Raspberry on Dr Deepti. It is actually quite chilling that she is being referred to as an expert in relation to children and school.

Her actual speciality is "studying genetic determinants of disease across ethnically diverse populations.... research interests range from the development of new statistical methodology for population genetics, genome-wide association studies and genomic prediction, to developing new pipelines for drug discovery using large-scale multi-dimensional data."

She has very little if any F2F individual people based, let alone child expertise, and lectures in machine learning.

It is little wonder she views children as a general population of disease vectors in need of control.

No, she's wheeled out as an "expert". Nobody then challenges her and says yes but what about education, or mental health, or the economy, or all the thousands of other factors which the government take into account.

She is taking a very narrow focus of the problem and it's really not helpful.

Yeah but that's surely the fault of the journalist. If she's an epidemiology expert then she's hardly going to make up stuff about the economy or mental health. They should get more appropriate guests if they're looking for a different view, not just someone who knows something about diseases and happens to be available.

Disagree UnderHisAye I am a very specialised expert within my field. I have all the qualifications and job titles to present as an expert far more generally. I am regularly asked about lots and lots of general areas and the first words out of my mouth are not my opinion but rather "my expertise is limited to a very specific field. I am not the person to ask."

Actually I saw Martin Lewis give a similar answer to someone asking for investment advice recently. This is because advice in finance is very heavily regulated.

There appears to be far too much confidence in and over reliance on self regulation in medicine and academia more generally.

I wouldn't expect a journo to know what I do and don't know and what it is legitimate to ask. I would see it as my responsibility to point it out.

Yes I see that, but the responsibility isn't all hers either.

She really can only speak to her area of expertise; if a journalist doesn't know what the difference between her and, say, an economist is, then that's a huge problem. They're doing us all a disservice if they bring a scientist on TV and then expect them to give a rounded view of governmental policy.

Self regulation is nearly always going to be prone to failure - talk about bad incentives to back likeminded professionals up and not emphasise the outcome. Works poorly for shooting, environmental management, government, additional support provision, trade unions, political parties etc who does it work for?

Self regulation is fine as a first chance to fix things but every single group would benefit from knowing there may be external accounting to be done.

Germany , France and Italy all now not using the Oxford vaccine .

I wonder what the truth of this will turn out to be? I feel convinced with what's being said here in the UK, but on the other hand I don't believe the WM government would let anything ruin their one win in this whole pandemic.

I feel exactly the same I haven’t trusted a word Boris or WM has said up to now but I didn’t think they would vaccine millions of us with something potentially harmful. Now I’m seeing all these massive country’s backing out and I feel like I’m a ticking time bomb . I wish I could undo Saturday . I’m beside myself .

Peppa, I'm sure you're absolutely fine! 30 or so people in 5 million is such a teeny tiny number. FWIW if I got offered the AZ vaccine I'd take it without blinking.

how many people in the UK have had the AZ vaccine? Do we have that info anywhere?

DD said first day back was entirely wellbeing and she was bored.

"how did lockdown make you FEEL?"

Lots of kids turned up without masks and refused to wear them. They weren't exempt she says because if they are they are meant to have a slip saying so and most did not. The school were not enforcing it.

It’s about 50% of doses I think

she's also said they spent an entire period doing colouring in, and no it wasn't colouring in something relevant to the subject.

This is an S2 year.

She's pissed off and so am I. Might as well keep them at home.

Only figure I can find is 17 million over Uk and EU I imagine most of them in the UK . I’m sure I read somewhere 15 million in the UK but I can’t find it to back that up.

Dr speigelsomething was talking about the blood clot issue on world at one today and he was very reassuring. He said it’s actually surprising there haven’t been more blood clots reported considering how common they are. Based on normal occurrences of blood clots You’d expect around 350 people to have had blood clot within a week on their vaccination. But they would have done whether they got the vaccine or not. Worth a listen maybe @Peppafrig
I’ve just had my appointment letter through for Friday (hooray) and I have no hesitation in taking it and I do have general anxiety issues 😀

The whole school situation is a total shambles,the children are not receiving a meaningful education.

Can't watch that Deepti woman,as pp said ,very narrow in her views,no sense of a wider picture (safe in her public sector job )

All the talk of DVT has had me running up and down the stairs!

@Icannever

Dr speigelsomething was talking about the blood clot issue on world at one today and he was very reassuring. He said it’s actually surprising there haven’t been more blood clots reported considering how common they are. Based on normal occurrences of blood clots You’d expect around 350 people to have had blood clot within a week on their vaccination. But they would have done whether they got the vaccine or not. Worth a listen maybe *@Peppafrig* I’ve just had my appointment letter through for Friday (hooray) and I have no hesitation in taking it and I do have general anxiety issues 😀

Thank you I will find it online. I need to calm down just had a full on panic attack. I’m glad you got your appointment it . It was such a relief to get mine I actually couldn’t wait to get there. As an unpaid carer I was petrified of passing Covid on as I’m still out working full time and caring around evenings and weekends .

@RaindropsSplashRainbows I’ve also been moving about all day I’ve set a remainder to move every 20 mins on my phone .

I am actually quite concerned now about the vaccine as well. Everything I've heard sounds reassuring but why are so many countries stopping it? Something doesn't sit right.

Ah now, I didn't mean to wind you up Peppa.
The news industry is just very good at amplifying these scare stories.