Guilt Free Railing Four

[WouldBeGood]

The tone stays low and the railing goes on

@fandabbydoozy

Normal by June? What is normal?

If we still need to do social distancing then we can't all go back to work or to college or university. Will all ages be vaccinated (twice) by June?

Do we still need to wear face masks and sanitise and follow one way systems and queue outside shops? Do we still need to quarantine when we get back from a foreign holiday?

There is no normal anymore!

I would assume by June everyone should be vaccinated. Maybe not twice but I would assume we'd all be sad from death / hospital.

I shouldn't think there would be quarantining but if other countries aren't at a good vaccination stage then maybe.

@UnderHisAye

Don't support the curfew idea at all, but as a provocation to a wider conversation it's not bad!

Yes to this!

I don't agree with it. It it's pretty good for getting us thinking about the ridiculous things asked of women.

It's ludicrous to seriously suggest all men have to stay inside after 6pm. I'm an ardent supporter of women's rights and agree that there's a huge issue with a lot of men but we can't really insist they stay inside after 6pm.
So my dh could never take our children out for an evening walk in the summer etc? Crazy.

Talking about toxic masculinity, I was feeding the baby in the car earlier while dh and ds were in M&S and a man stared through the window at me then walked past a couple of times still staring. It was horrible. I was as covered up as I could be but I shouldn't have to put up with that shit feeding my tiny baby. Bastard.

I agree it's a good idea to start a conversation though. When the met police said the other day that women should stay home in the evening or something like that I do admit that my first thought was that maybe men should stay in instead!

I get that @shouldistop. It's my gut reaction also that why are women punished for what men do, but then I think about the men in my life and think why should they also be punished for what other men do.

I was abused as a child. Stopping men being out after 6pm wouldn't have helped.

Oh definitely, I don't think it would solve the problem at all.
I'm sorry you suffered abuse as a child wax

It is particularly ludicrous coming from the Greens given their position that men can just say they are women.

Maybe they might accept sex and gender are different now..!

Yes, surely any men who were up to no good and wanted out after 6pm could just identify as women that day? (Then when they raped someone it would be reported as a woman's crime but that's a whole other thread)

Thanks @shoulistop. No need to apologise, it wasn't you.

I'm grateful for the many lovely men in my life, (not all perfect but they try) my dad who had his own demons but was intrinsically a good man, my brothers and brothers in law and my sons and nephews.

I'm loving watching my own DS develop a lovely respectful relationship with his GF.

I really don't know what the answer is but as a start and as mothers we can guide and educate our sons to be better men

In Scotland all the men can just self identify as women and carry on their lives

@shouldistop That's the problem with the NAMALT- I'm sure the family of that creep think he's a good guy, and for the most part he may be, but he's made you, a woman feel uncomfortable and self - conscious, so he is part of the problem. Most men aren't violent rapists and murderers, but a hell of a lot of men need to look at and modify their every day behaviour.

On 6pm curfews. Round our way prior to the pandemic 9am is a dodgy time to be about as there are so few people about once everyone is in school and work. Was going to list a few examples in Glasgow and Edinburgh this applies to but when I thought about it it's an extremely long list. The best protection is lots of people of all sexes and types walking about all the time. Advice I give my DDs is to always stick to busy areas and be aware of entrances and alleyways.

Also agree on comments about where most abuse happens and perpetrated by whom. There is always a rush to compartmentalise and make it about random attacks late at night on the streets. The alternative analysis looks to be too uncomfortable and difficult to confront.

Yes, I agree that busy areas and busy times are best. As a teenager I used to travel from my dishwashing gig in the city, home to the rough area I lived in after work. Sometimes I'd get away early and be home at 10.30pm ish and on those occasions instead of using the underpass under the dual carriageway, I'd run over the road and climb the fence in the middle. My DM preferred it when I finished later and arrived back at kicking out time for the pubs as the streets were busy, plenty using the underpass etc.

Little did she know at the time that me travelling back home late at night was safer than me having a sleep over with my cousins when I was younger.

DS has just pointed out that rapists are unlikely to be respectful of a curfew, as well as it being perfectly possible to commit these crimes before six pm

@WouldBeGood

DS has just pointed out that rapists are unlikely to be respectful of a curfew, as well as it being perfectly possible to commit these crimes before six pm

funny that a young lad can work that out when it seems to be beyond the ken of the green party eh?

And it would also mean that women who identify as men would have to stay in

And of course, no men work in the evenings so that's fine too.

I wish the greens had better leadership - there's nothing intrinsically loony about environmental issues, why are they so incompetent on everything else?

I agree about busy-ness, well lit areas. I tell you what - campaigning for a lot of us to get those video doorbells and offering subsidies would make more sense. Howmany crimes against women only really get convictions if they're caught on camera?

Many.

The environmental issues have contributed to the lack of well lit areas imo. We had all all bulbs replaced and now you'd be hard pushed to see an elephant dressed in neon dancewear taking a dump 5 feet in front of you, it's truly awful. A wee puddle of light under the lamppost and that's your lot.

I was a fan of green policy before, but their ludicrous stance on biology makes me question their scientific credentials as well as their intellect and morals.

that's no good...looking at lighting and CCTV would be a step in the right direction more so than bonkers curfews!

when did the Greens last talk about something Green?

They are to the SNP what the Lib Dems are to Conservatives.

When can we see someone indoors? My bestie is dropping something off to me and it will be the first time I've seen her in a year (probably longer). Would love to have her inside for coffee and cake.

To be honest @fandabbydoozy I’d just have her in 🤷🏻‍♀️

We had SIL in. She sat on the chair nearest the doors, which were open so and we were roughly 2m apart.

I've been to my friend's garden to rant about Mr G and his bumbling. I know he's been poorly but managing to disconnect my phone from the tv made me lose the plot after he kept me up all night snoring because he needs to sleep on his back.

Came home feeling much better... successfully made tablet for the first time in my life. It needs work on my presentation however.

Oh yum, I love tablet