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Guilt Free Railing Four

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WouldBeGood · 08/03/2021 16:21

The tone stays low and the railing goes on

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fluffyugg · 13/03/2021 08:45

I don't think she meant we'd all be in the same levels though? I took it to mean we all ease up on restrictions 'as one' then go into the different levels. Linda Bauld saying life will be more normal by June and JL saying we might have to go in to reverse if numbers continue to go up in the next few days so who really knows!!

RaspberryCoulis · 13/03/2021 08:48

According to that public tableau site, the 7 day rate in minging East Dunbartonshire, which is perilously linked to manky Glasgow, is 39.6 per 100k.

No idea what that is in "old money" but back in October when everything was open, we were at 200 odd cases per 100,000 every sodding week. But we're still banned from everything and the kids are going to be in school for 10 minutes a week over the next three weeks.

What a fucking pantomime.

shouldistop · 13/03/2021 08:48

Ok, maybe I misunderstood then

rookiemere · 13/03/2021 08:56

@RaspberryCoulis but then to rub salt in the wounds they refuse to ban a football match that will almost certainly result in a repeat of last weekend's carnage, with the resultant increase in cases that we'll all end up paying for.

RaspberryCoulis · 13/03/2021 08:59

Oh and we are again today perhaps breaking the law. Not as blatant as having my hairdresser here. But we are organising a bathroom renovation (not urgent urgent as in it's not leaking, but something we'd planned for a while) and the guy was here earlier in the week to measure up. This morning we have to go to the showroom to choose tiles, toilet, shower and the rest of it. The showroom is closed to the public but we're still allowed in. The company is so busy that we won't actually get it fitted until May-ish, but they're still working as normal.

Illegal? Who knows, who cares. Will be spending the morning arguing with teen DD over tiles as it;s the bathroom next to her room which she has claimed as "hers".

WouldBeGood · 13/03/2021 09:15

It comes to something when I’m jealous of that outing @RaspberryCoulis 😂

I’m supposed to be getting some work done in the house on Monday if the guy confirms. I thought he’d say after lockdown, but no! Then that will be my improvements complete

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rookiemere · 13/03/2021 09:16

I had my friend in for a cup of tea yesterday. We're planning a ladies evening with another friend at ours for next weekend - inside. We're not going around licking lampposts but we're making our own decisions about what we will and won't do now, although obviously most of what we want to do is closed.

Friend was - up to now - quite supportive of SG approach to this, but now has had enough because there's no plan out. DH busy reading out Daily Telegraph apparently all over 40s in England to be offered vaccine by Easter, do we have confidence that Scotland is on the same trajectory?

Icannever · 13/03/2021 09:21

Used my one free times article of the week to copy and paste this 😀. Looks like your right @shouldistop about us all coming out of lockdown at the same level (and very slowly 😭). It doesn’t feel like she’s being very upfront about this with us

No More Tiers
Scotland will emerge from lockdown as “one country” rather than relaxing regional rules at different stages, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

Last month the first minister indicated that the tier system, which set rules according to the levels of the virus in each council area, would be reintroduced on April 26 — when most shops and businesses are due to reopen.

But she told Holyrood’s Covid-19 committee yesterday: “I hope — and I’ll set out more of our thinking and expectations around this at parliament next Tuesday — that when we come out of lockdown measures initially we can come out as one country.”

Sturgeon added: “Then in future, if we have outbreaks or flare ups, we can use the level system to deal with that. I hope that some substantial parts of the easing of lockdown can apply all across the country.

“It may very quickly be possible for some parts to go faster; I’m talking there about island and rural communities in particular.”

The first minister rejected calls from Donald Cameron, the Conservative MSP and committee convener, to speed up the reopening process. She said: “My focus and priority is to try to make it steady and one directional, rather than going too fast now and finding we take one step forward and two steps back.

“The exit from lockdown, and I think this is true UK wide just now, is slower than any of us want it to be,” she said. “I can’t guarantee we won’t have to do that, but a bit of caution at this stage is the best protection and mitigation against that.”

Annabelle Ewing, the SNP MSP for Cowdenbeath, highlighted concerns raised by Professor Chris Whitty, England’s chief medical officer, that the country could face a third wave of Covid-19 this summer. Dr Gregor Smith, Whitty’s Scottish counterpart, said: “I think it is a possibility that we will see a further surge later in the summer, most likely.”

He added: “I have seen the modelling which shows the path towards that. So much is dependent on how all of us respond to this gradual reopening of society that we are undertaking just now.”

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Sturgeon said: “I heard Chris Whitty’s comments. I think he is right to be quite blunt about the risks that still lie ahead. The thing we have got that we didn’t have when we came out of the first lockdown last year is the suppressive effect of the vaccine.”

The first minister told Willie Coffey, the SNP MSP for Kilmarnock, that she was keen to have fans back attending football matches, citing her father’s impatience to cheer on Ayr United.

“I hope that before too long, in some competition or other, fans will be able to be in Somerset Park to watch Ayr United beat Killie,” she said. “If the vaccine keeps going as it is going just now we can be really hopeful that all of these things are not too far in the future.”

The decision to adopt a countrywide, rather than a regional, approach to emerging from lockdown mirrors Boris Johnson’s plans for England.

The first minister also refused to rule out adopting a five-week break, between easing measures — to allow analysis of their impact — which is the system which is being proposed south of the border. The Scottish government has previously suggested that three weeks would be sufficient.

Sturgeon said: “We did weekly reviews when the level system was in place at the end of the year.

“But in terms of making actual changes we tended to work in at least a three-week cycle and that is what we would anticipate as a minimum as we go into this next phase.

“There may be arguments, and we are thinking through all of these things just now, about making that slightly longer, given that we are dealing with a much, much more infectious variant.”

TV briefings may continue
Nicola Sturgeon has indicated that she could still do televised coronavirus briefings during the Holyrood election campaign.

The first minister insisted it would not be “business as normal” but that she had a duty to communicate big decisions about the virus to the public. She said: “I remain first minister, so remain accountable during a health crisis. We have to have the ability to communicate directly with the public.”

Asked by Monica Lennon, the Labour MSP, about whether the Scottish government would use experts, such as Jason Leitch, the national clinical director, and Gregor Smith, the chief medical officer, to front the briefings, Sturgeon said no “final, detailed decision” had been made.

Sturgeon, who was answering questions from Holyrood’s Covid-19 committee, added that “already the briefings are happening less frequently”.

Opposition MSPs have expressed concerns that Sturgeon’s regular appearance on the briefings could give her an advantage in the election.

The first minister said: “It is not in my interest to be seen to be abusing the position of first minister, and I will not do that. I suspect you will be seeing more, even more of Gregor and Jason in terms of a day-to-day basis.”

shouldistop · 13/03/2021 09:24

I'm now only paying attention to the indoor mixing rules. 3 weeks after my mum is vaccinated though I may have her over, technically allowed anyway as I have a baby.

Today we're cleaning mould from a wall, child and dog wrangling, shopping, dropping flowers / cards at my mums and mils and sils (ds1 wanted to make one for his aunt too), more child and dog wrangling. Exciting stuff.

I am looking forward to tomorrow though, I'm going to sleep in the spare room tonight, dh can give baby ds a bottle overnight then bring him to me for a feed in the morning then bring me breakfast in bed Smile he's also ordered us afternoon tea to be delivered. I heard ds1 and dh whispering about going to the shops so hopefully I get some daffodils Smile

SempreSuiGeneris · 13/03/2021 09:41

Icannever thanks for posting that article. Very concise and helpful. Pretty outrageous that it's behind a paywall in the Times rather than the transcript from yesterday's Daily Briefing on the BBC.

No idea what the strategy is in terms of messaging. Definitely smoke and mirrors.

Icannever · 13/03/2021 09:46

This weekend will be be spent trying to find school uniform that still fits my boys 😬. Finding school bags and or outside and all the stuff the school sent us home in a pack that is supposed to go back with them on Monday 😱.
My boys don’t want to go back to school unfortunately so I will also spend the weekend trying to get them feeling positive so we don’t have total meltdowns on Monday morning. My eldest is dyslexic and has real school anxiety 😬

WouldBeGood · 13/03/2021 09:57

Thanks @Icannever interesting read. That sounds hard with your DCs. DD was like that so I know how difficult it can be. Luckily for me DS is pretty chilled. Though he won’t try on his school stuff and will probably throw a strop when it doesn’t fit next week for his one day in. If it doesn’t he can go in trackies: there’s no way I’m buying more. He’s already in non regulation trainers as school shoes are too much money for a few weeks wear.

@shouldistop that sounds a nice weekend! My DD is coming over tomorrow with an afternoon tea for me so that’s a nice thing too.

@rookiemere I think most people feel the same now. I’m always very happy to keep my distance from people anyway, so no licking is fine.

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SempreSuiGeneris · 13/03/2021 10:17

We didn't bother with school uniform back in August because all the extra regs on warm and practical left enough room for interpretation to be joggers, sweatshirt and polo shirt. Doing the same just now. Not bothering with gym shoes as PE still outdoors.

Mine has not really missed school this time round. Working on being a PITA DM all weekend so she's glad to see the back of me by Monday.

DC are tidying the Dining Room table for Mother's Day since they are going back to school. I am debating catching up with the cleaning and creating a lockdown memory book when I get some time back. Much more likely to be sitting drinking coffee and reading a book all week.

fandabbydoozy · 13/03/2021 10:19

Normal by June? What is normal?

If we still need to do social distancing then we can't all go back to work or to college or university. Will all ages be vaccinated (twice) by June?

Do we still need to wear face masks and sanitise and follow one way systems and queue outside shops? Do we still need to quarantine when we get back from a foreign holiday?

There is no normal anymore!

ResilienceWanker · 13/03/2021 10:47

In the spirit of railing... I'm fed up with all the chopping and changing the SG are doing. Fine that strategies change when the situation changes, but the "roadmap" was, what, less than a month ago, and that said we'd be going back to tiers from (possibly) 26th April. But now we're not going into tiers unless there are outbreaks, but we'll move as one "back to normal" whatever that means (thanks for that article icannever!). That's theoretically a great move and I can't complain that the strategy has moved to a "better" one. But what is different in the situation to a month ago, and what's to stop them changing their minds again? I frankly can't trust them as far as I can throw them, so I can't get excited, unfortunately.

I'm not convinced by "normal" either. Does that mean they aren't going for "elimination" any more? Because that strategy will only work with limits on travel into Scotland, strict quarantine and so on (as outlined in the citizens panel report thing). So that's not normal at all. And how long will that be needed for before they decide they aren't doing elimination any more? That's the trouble in my mind with that strategy. There is no way out of it ever (without moving to a different strategy) and it isn't "normality" or anything close. So I'm suspicious of any talk of normality without a public statement that they have moved away from that elimination strategy.

Also railing... I'm so jealous of those of you meeting friends, getting in workmen and hairdressers and so on. All my friends and family (the few I have!) are far too good to go against guidance. And the workmen we have lined up aren't coming back til the regulations change. And I don't want to ask them to do otherwise, cos they might report us or something! Is there a secret codeword or something you can use?!

rookiemere · 13/03/2021 10:58

Great post @ResilienceWanker. The flip flopping based on public reaction is very galling and then the gaslighting that they never actually said or meant the initial proposal is hugely infuriating. I'd actually have a lot more respect for them is they said look we know everyone hates tiers, we know there are flaws with the system so this is how we're going to do it, instead of pretending that the recent past doesn't actually exist and we're all imagining that was a thing anyway.

The lack of knowing what we're aiming for or what we're going to get when we arrive at that point makes everything feel very pointless at the minute.

Add to that the inability/unwillingness to cancel a football game that we know will cause numbers to spike.

Maybe Tuesdays lockdown easing plan will make it a bit clearer - cue for lots more waggy fingers telling us to behave for just a little bit longer and that she knows this is hard for us whilst going into work every day with no mask on. Not holding my breath though.

PoloMintPatty · 13/03/2021 11:12

Total rail. The football thing is annoying me now.

NHS Lanarkshire social media yesterday said "Following reports of social gatherings last weekend, we would encourage anyone who thinks they should get a COVID-19 test to get one".

The refusal to deal upfront with the match next weekend will likely just lead to similar questions for the FM in the week after it and posts like this again.

For all the things she has done well, and I'll not say there aren't any, I think Nicola Sturgeon struggles with making and following through with certain decisions which would be guaranteed to be unpopular like this with a vocal group.

Similarly, she doesn't like to fire people. Even she should. Who had taken the heat for the whole Salmond / legal debacle so far? No one. No one at all.

Rail over.

Icannever · 13/03/2021 11:36

Couldn’t agree more. We just need some clarity and transparency. I can’t cope with the inability to plan anything anymore. I like plans 😭

ResilienceWanker · 13/03/2021 12:00

The lack of knowing what we're aiming for or what we're going to get when we arrive at that point makes everything feel very pointless at the minute.

Yes, totally this. And the plan thing. I feel like if I make plans for the summer we won't be allowed to do them, and it'll be my fault for not being cautious, and we were always told dates were provisional and could change. But if we don't, and everything is booked by the time there's more certainty, I'll get told it's my own fault for not planning ahead, and everyone knew demand in the UK would be high this year. Of course, it'll never be the SGs fault at all. Angry

And yes on the football thing too. I realise I'm biased as I have no love for football of any hue, but I honestly don't begrudge anyone getting fun where they can if they want to watch it responsibly at home, so happy that football can go ahead (in theory) when other things can't. But how much leeway do they get to prove they can do things responsibly before the plug is pulled?! And dragging out the decision is just going to make people angrier if/ when they do cancel it. They seem quick enough to ban/ cancel other planned protests when it suits them. I just can't see the fans staying away totally... especially given last week, and the fact there was no comeback for the majority of people there, apart from a stern look and some finger wagging from the various podia.

Icannever · 13/03/2021 12:44

@ResilienceWanker. That pretty much sums up exactly how I feel

WaxOnFeckOff · 13/03/2021 12:53

Just reading about the green party proposal for a 6pm curfew for all men. I wonder if that includes policemen?

In Scotland all the men can just self identify as women and carry on their lives.

fandabbydoozy · 13/03/2021 13:06

a curfew won't help those women attacked in their own homes. Fucking pointless jumping on the bandwagon exercise.

Plus I got sexually assaulted at 12 and 17 all in broad daylight, before 6pm. Police did sweet fuck all even though there were witnesses each time (who didn't want to get involved). Met DH at 17 and since then I go everywhere with him except to work on my own. That's what it does to you.

As for Nicola, she's just waiting to see what Boris does so she can be seen as being better or more protective or whatever she thinks will save her from losing seats.

UnderHisAye · 13/03/2021 13:07

Don't support the curfew idea at all, but as a provocation to a wider conversation it's not bad!

WaxOnFeckOff · 13/03/2021 13:20

So locking people in with their abusers or not dealing properly with protection in general. They've swapped streetlights out for less bright ones. They've started this on the back of a case where a policeman was involved. And do we really think that the men who do this will just stay in rather than just go out and do it anyway?

I don't disagree that there is an issue with toxic masculinity but stopping the overwhelming majority of completely innocent men from being outside is just bizarre.

What about areas that are dark before 4pm or light until 11pm?

If I were a man wanting to attack a random stranger, I would not be trying to be seen or would simply dress as a woman. 🤷‍♀️

WouldBeGood · 13/03/2021 13:24

The Green Party are total fuckwits

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