Rangers fans celebrating in a pandemic

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No social distancing at all, few masks in sight. Apparently at least 1000 outside ibrox , hundreds in George square.

Total superspreader events, even outside. The new viruses are much easier to catch.

Bloody great.

“People have just had it and need something to feel happy about.“

You can feel happy without being a dangerous knob.

@Peppafrig thousands of fans. A minority of fans certainly but to say it is small diminishes the horrible scale of it.

No I know it wasn't publicly sanctioned but it was clear as day it was happening and nothing from the club or government done to discourage? A couple of tweets after the fact are no use. Police escorts for parades don't just magically appear? I don't blame the police here any attempt at enforcement would have want riots, they done the right thing in my opinion

Meant* not want

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 I'm not sure what you mean? What should the government have done to prevent this?

[quote snowcoveredcampsies]@Peppafrig thousands of fans. A minority of fans certainly but to say it is small diminishes the horrible scale of it. [/quote]
Thousands of fans turned up to celebrate which they shouldn’t have . But the minority I was referring too was the ones who destroyed things Yes no one at all should have been there at all. I’m sure NS will rightly rip into them today as she should. Just like she did when thousands turned up at Celtic park a few months ago.

It should have been addressed at the briefing and told not to do it. Police dispersing the minute the first person arrived. Stationed around ibrox and the square etc instead they allowed to go ahead and public funds used for a police escort which tells me they are confident it wasn't actually that dangerous from a COVID perspective. Which begs the question why are we in lockdown till April. If there is no spike which I don't think there will be. The Rangers fans effectively ended Glasgow's lockdown because if they don't get covid they will just push it further with rule breaking

@Peppafrig is there any need for this constant whataboutery? It's very strange and makes an actual discussion about the actual events of last night difficult.

I wonder if you're a rangers fan and are maybe hurting a bit. If that's the case I sympathise but really other football teams / fans have nothing to do with what happened last night.

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

It should have been addressed at the briefing and told not to do it. Police dispersing the minute the first person arrived. Stationed around ibrox and the square etc instead they allowed to go ahead and public funds used for a police escort which tells me they are confident it wasn't actually that dangerous from a COVID perspective. Which begs the question why are we in lockdown till April. If there is no spike which I don't think there will be. The Rangers fans effectively ended Glasgow's lockdown because if they don't get covid they will just push it further with rule breaking

I can't actually believe what I'm reading here.

Why @StarryEyeSurprise ?

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021 the covid briefing? Where it's supposed to be about covid and she's quite rightly had her knuckles wrapped for discussing non covid things? She would have been accused of picking on Rangers fans I think had she done that.

As you said in your pp there were plenty of police there. The pictures show a high police presence. What went wrong was the police not doing their job and going softly softly despite the risk to public health.

I'm genuinely not sure who makes that call. The head of the police or the Scottish Government? Whoever should have made that call is at fault secondary only to the numerous selfish arseholes who decided that their drunken ridiculousness was more important than funerals getting back to normal.

@snowcoveredcampsies I take your point but I would argue that it's a public health issue so perfectly fine to bring up. Hasn't stopped her berating players previously.

Plus NS could have said until she was blue in the face for them not to and she would have been ignored.

Judging by twitter, and my Facebook sadly (non Dom school in west of Scotland) , the vast majority of rangers fans aren't exactly her biggest fans at the best of times.

She would have just been barraged with a bunch of 'fuck off wee nippy you're no the boss of me' type comments

Like most I'm appalled by the vandalism and violence. The scientist in me is curious to see what happens now wrt infection (and more importantly serious disease) rates. The pictures seem to show a lot of hugging, singing, with lots of unmasked faces, albeit outside. If what we're told about virus spread is true there should be an uptick in cases. If there isn't a massive surge of hospitalisations on the back of this (either because there isn't massive community spread anymore or the vaccines essentially turn it into a bad cold), I think it will raise some questions about the proportionality of the restrictions. We'll have to wait and see.

So that's an excuse to do nothing @snowcoveredcampsies? Surely that's a failure to lead.

Plus NS could have said until she was blue in the face for them not to and she would have been ignored.

Interesting choice of words

So it's not the fault of the grown men and women who got pissed and behaved appallingly and illegally?

It's not the fault of the police who failed to uphold the law (but do manage it if you take your weans sledging too far in the wrong direction)?

It's NS's fault because she didn't specifically tell the rangers fans not to congregate during her covid briefing?

Do you think they would have listened to her?

No I don't think they would listen but that doesn't mean she can absolve herself of responsibility. Is it the fault of the police? I don't think so they done the right thing and prevented it getting out of the hand. The people that went I can't get too worked up about. It's outside which we know is low risk. Honestly overall I think it really isn't that big a deal. The violence and destruction is disgusting but the overall celebrations I think fair play to them

It will be very interesting to see if there is in fact any increase in cases.

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

No I don't think they would listen but that doesn't mean she can absolve herself of responsibility. Is it the fault of the police? I don't think so they done the right thing and prevented it getting out of the hand. The people that went I can't get too worked up about. It's outside which we know is low risk. Honestly overall I think it really isn't that big a deal. The violence and destruction is disgusting but the overall celebrations I think fair play to them

But then every day on here there are comments around how she's putting arbitrary rules in place, speaking to people like they are stupid and that individuals should be allowed to make their own assessment of risk.

I sincerely hope you are right about it being low risk for transmission and that it won't bring about an increase in cases. But in the event that it does, then we've got key workers put at risk so that a proportion of people can go out and "celebrate"

The other thing I'd say is that she doesn't have a crystal ball and there was no way of knowing that Celtic would lose until the Sunday.

The police basically molly coddled them to prevent riots. That's also absolutely appalling. They've humiliated themselves and made a mockery of everything. How they can expect to maintain order now I don't know. You may have a point about the SG here though. I don't know to what extent the SG are involved in making these decisions re the Police Scotland approach. If they were in any way responsible for this soft approach then yes I would be blaming them too.

Fair play to them? I don't even know what to say to that to be honest. You're entitled to your opinion. I completely disagree and I best leave it at that.

Although this is maybe the best example of SNP / NS bad I've heard in a while so that did cheer me up a bit to be fair 😀

That's fine we are allowed to disagree. I really hope I'm right and there is no increase in infections. They partied, they cleaned it up the violent ones will have been arrested. It's done now

It does seem like lockdown is pretty much over and has been for a while in many areas of society. The general mumsnet position that they’re complying to the nth degree and obeying Boris and NS’s every missive seems totally at odds with how many people are living/ socialising. Lockdown fatigue was always going to happen and the rangers fans have just showed it in public. Don’t know why anyone is shocked.

Hmm I think that minimises it greatly. They destroyed memorials. That's not partying.

I too will be interested to see if there is a spike. I really hope not.