Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

I think we all have to think about how to help our kids tbh.

Thanks stats. Great explanations

Just reading through the messages about the indicators from WHO. It looks neverending.
I can see it discouraging testing.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us I agree with everything you say. One thing though is that Devi Sridhar has no epidemiological or similar background, if you look her up on wiki and see what her actual area of study was you'll possibly be surprised.
Ditto Linda Bauld.

Thanks for the no longer very new thread running! Its taken me all evening to catch up with the previous thread and this one, and I don't have anything to add other than I agree with so many of you. Today has really thrown me back. I don't care about a slow reopening. I was resigned to that. But I can't cope with a slow reopening and then going back to their 3 for goodness knows how long. Especially when getting out of tier 3 needs a lower rate than I think we have ever had, and we all know that the central belt never moves down tiers. I just can't see how vaccinations can mean we're in a worse situation than we were in the autumn.

I was so frustrated, I've NCd.

Finally caught up with the thread and am also very fed up. There is no point going a different way to England as eventually they will have to open the border and so even if we have got to zero cases in Scotland they will be imported back again.
So all that’s happening is we are locked down in our council areas with nothing open while England has a lovely time visiting beer gardens and zoos and theme parks. Then if their cases rise it travels over the border by workers, lorry drivers, tourists, people visiting family no matter what the rules are (totally understandably) etc. Etc. And we are back where we started but without having had a break from lockdown. What’s the point?
Also how is this not different from England. On 12 April all outdoor hospitality and entertainment including theme parks and zoos will be open. Whereas at that point we will be allowed to meet 4 people for another walk in the rain.
Honestly if me been trying so hard to stay positive but it’s impossible. Everyone I know or come across is at absolute breaking point for one reason or another. We needed a road map not a holding statement and yet another promise of more information in a few week/just hold on a little longer. Feel like screaming

I think a strategy like this is probably going to damage the vaccine uptake rates all by itself. Lots of younger people aren’t that worried about getting covid themselves but would still take the vaccine in order to get back to normal. If we say that the vaccine won’t make any difference to that, I think fewer people will bother.

I'm early 40s and don't see the point if it's not achieving anything. We'll be relocating though if everywhere else opens up as will quite a few of our friends and family. Pisses me off as I wanted my kids to have the stability my childhood lacked but I'll take a country allowing travel/binning masks over this without end.

I admit my mental health is generally shit but some positivity would be helpful instead they just keep going with the mind numbing negativity. They might as well just shoot us all now.

Not sure any of that made sense as I feel a bit too angry and depressed to think

Yip I won't take the vaccine now. Early 30's low risk so if it's not going to help with opening up I'm not interested

Well of course it would make much more sense if the 4 nations were talking to each other and agreeing what needs to be done together

It would also help all of us to understand the messages

We are small interlinked islands not a huge place like France or Spain

As was said before there is a scent of politics about this

It’s divisive amongst all the nations

@IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021

Yip I won't take the vaccine now. Early 30's low risk so if it's not going to help with opening up I'm not interested

What's the point of that? Just get the bloody thing so we can open up.

Whose life is going to be improved by your one-woman protest?

It's definitely worth getting the vaccination to protect your health.

We can only hope that the Scottish government re-examine the tiers which includes vaccination rate in their examination.

It will definitely help to bring it down positively rate anyway.
What we were discussing is that at the moment vaccine rate isn't factored in to scottish tier approach where it is in England. This could all change.
Please take vaccines if you can!

Take the vaccine when it's offered, because at some point ScotGov is going to have to come round to acknowledging that it can't keep all the borders closed and ask us to stay in Level 0 as a permanent tactic and will start going by hospitalisations and so on instead, and you may as well get the vaccine before that gets announced and there's huge queues.

[quote MaxNormal]@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us I agree with everything you say. One thing though is that Devi Sridhar has no epidemiological or similar background, if you look her up on wiki and see what her actual area of study was you'll possibly be surprised.
Ditto Linda Bauld.[/quote]
She's worked in global health politics for a decade. Pretty sure she's qualified to advise people on the subject.

They've got actual epidemiologists and virologists advising them in their area of speciality too.

I really dislike this trying to discredit people because you don't like what they say.

I will take the vaccine but I doubt I’ll feel like celebrating if it all continues to seem like it’s for nothing. I’ve already had Covid. My entire family caught it because carers coming into my housebound FIL’s home were not being tested and he caught it. He died in hospital (not of Covid but it probably didn’t help) and DH caught it from him as he was allowed to visit as he was dying. By the time FIL was tested DH had obviously brought it home to us and my 3 year old had passed it to my parents who look after him when I’m working.

Sorry, I’ve told this story ad nauseum. I’m just so fed up, none of us got Covid through carelessness or selfishness as the punitive rhetoric of the SG would have it, we got it because carers weren’t being tested and a vulnerable old man was effectively a sitting target. Why was NS not making routine testing of carers law when she was making it illegal for us to leave our council areas?

It all feels so bloody punishing now.

Sridhar was referred to as an epidemiologist by a previous poster, I was pointing out that she doesn't in fact have a STEM background.
Or are facts discrediting people now?

There is no point going a different way to England as eventually they will have to open the border and so even if we have got to zero cases in Scotland they will be imported back again

Thats been my logic since the word go. Even the truck drivers, construction workers who work away Mon-Fri, and others with legal reasons for travel means that Scotland having a different plan to England is verging on pointless. I know one child who travels fortnightly to their Dads in Tyneside they can't be the only child living between the two countries.

@WannaCapybara it is not a one woman protest. Why take a vaccine that I don't need so I can continue to stay in my house? I know you are really supportive of the government and that's fine. It's your choice just like not having the vaccine is my choice. If it becomes the case that vaccines mean no restrictions the. Of course I will take it but I'm at the end of doing thing for the "greater good"

[quote IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021]@WannaCapybara it is not a one woman protest. Why take a vaccine that I don't need so I can continue to stay in my house? I know you are really supportive of the government and that's fine. It's your choice just like not having the vaccine is my choice. If it becomes the case that vaccines mean no restrictions the. Of course I will take it but I'm at the end of doing thing for the "greater good" [/quote]
But even if you dont show symptoms, you could pass it on and make someone else ill.

The vaccine helps with transmission.

@ssd the thing is though NS hasn't said that. There was no alluding to this. If it does slow transmission and they are waiting on the science then my thoughts would differ. Today was just zero covid hell for leather regardless of the harms of restrictions.

Agent Cooper it's frustrating hearing stories like yours. What a difficult time for your family, my sympathies.

[quote IsurviveonCoffeeandWinein2021]@ssd the thing is though NS hasn't said that. There was no alluding to this. If it does slow transmission and they are waiting on the science then my thoughts would differ. Today was just zero covid hell for leather regardless of the harms of restrictions. [/quote]
Its reported in the news

@ssd I know that so do many on the thread but the issue with the announcement today was that this wasn't taken into account. Its level 3 in another 2 months regardless of the vaccine and effects

I hate Sturgeon, the evil cow.

@ssd actually the studies are still ongoing into transmission and vaccines. For AZ vaccine early dats is it can reduce transmission a certain extent but not fully. Pfizer still ongoing, moderna hasn't been administered outwith trials yet so unknown. Research is still being done.
Vaccination has been shown to reduce hospital admissions and serious illness so far.