Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

It's difficult, but try and gather some perspective on this and realise being locked down is so we can finally move on with our lives when it's safe to do so

I'm not criticising the FM because I "lack perspective", that's incredibly patronising.

Also being in lock down so that we can move on with our lives...... Tell that to the thousands of small business owners on their knees or self catering accommodation/businesses who still haven't received a sniff of a grant promised by the Scottish government in December.

There will be no life for these people to go back to as their career and income has completely vanished.
Or keeping children locked down with huge consequences on their education and mental health. Secondary school children told yeah you can go back to school did they not think anyone would notice the date given was in the sodding Easter holidays........ Oh but wait they are leaving several weeks in between to see impact....

Except 19th til the 26th of April between some secondary and shops opening isn't several weeks you don't need my data background to know that one!

You can carry on saying yes Nic no Nic 3 bags full Nic to everything she comes out with reality is a lot of the population is well past saturation point, mental health crisis like nothing before and businesses and an economy on its arse!

So no I'm not just going to "gather perspective" and not challenge aspects if they make no sense! Which BTW many people must of given the change in tone and changes between yesterday announcement and today's!

I think there does need to be a happy medium between fling all the kids back at once and hope for the best and a very gradual approach! Hopefully going slowly means we won't get the more damaging open, get stock in, close with no notice in lockdown again cycle. But equally the approach in England could well drag us down if we do get unlucky with variants.

Scottishskifun
A spa weekend in England ? In May ?
Careful now, you’ll get yourself redacted.

@ShowmetheSnowdrops

Scottishskifun A spa weekend in England ? In May ? Careful now, you’ll get yourself redacted.

😂 God that shite show is playing out. No idea why NS kept answering questions on it in today's briefing it's a sodding covid briefing! Response should have been its a covid briefing we are only answering questions on covid!

I used to think the daily briefings useful. I think they should be done by a scientist/medical advisor. They can use FM questions for roll out changes whihh they do now anyway!

I think it's a bit close to the bone to say that if we don't open sooner many people won't have lives to go back to, when more than 100,000 people have actually lost their lives.

Close to the bone how, it's the truth regardless of how many have died and its unfair to use their deaths as emotional blackmail like that.

I couldn't agree more Max. I find it disgusting that only the covid deaths seem to matter, and the figure given is a finger in the air job at best.

The cost of the lock down is likely to be far worse than that attributed to covid itself.

And whilst every death will be mourned and was someone's loved one, we also need to remember that the average length of life lost to covid is about 6 months. The impact on the lack of other healthcare, mental health, poverty through lost livelihood etc etc on the population will be a far bigger cost and last for generations.

@MaxNormal

Close to the bone how, it's the truth regardless of how many have died and its unfair to use their deaths as emotional blackmail like that.

You can't see that it's crass to say that people who are made redundant will have 'no life' when tens of thousands have lost their lives?

By the way I am one of those made redundant and I still have a life.

Seems like BJ is also having to course correct on his tone, but in the opposite way.

@GirlLovesWorld

I think it's a bit close to the bone to say that if we don't open sooner many people won't have lives to go back to, when more than 100,000 people have actually lost their lives.

Maybe they should be recording the daily suicide, going missing and attempted suicide rates along with the covid deaths.

Might put a different perspective on it. Instead those figures will be kept quiet as long as possible.

I would like to know How many of the thousands who have died have actually died because of covid?

For example, How many were terminally ill and had a few weeks left but also caught covid?

How many people were in say a car accident, caught covid and passed away? But actually their injuries were the real reason that they died but since they had covid it counts as that.

Just a couple of examples.

Will it come out in the future that actually the amount of people who actually died due to covid was X number.

Don’t get me wrong It’s heartbreaking for the families regardless of the reason, it just makes me wonder and question it all.

I along with everyone else have lost out on so many things and plans this last year all of which i won’t get back again.
Don’t really have anything to move onto, not one plan or anything nice for the future, it’s gone already.
I had spent years slowly building up my self confidence, tackling my anxiety, having counselling etc and I’m almost back to where I started due to all this.

Where is the balance between covid and other illnesses, mental health and people’s livelihood type stuff as I don’t see it at all

Daily suicides don't get reported and recorded for obvious reasons; the numbers for the previous year come out each June I think.

Running that's it exactly at the moment there is no balance.

The long term impact on people's MH and physical health is horrendous.
What percentage of people have gained weight in the last year? Lost muscle as they lack movement. Where's the analysis on the long term impact?

The impact on children's lives every day out of school is another day of the gap widening between those who are fully engaged and those who aren't.

Families are breaking down, family relationships are at breaking point. Arguments over homeschooling are inevitable.

Yes it's fine to say children don't need to SD but you can't invite a child round to play, not every child has friends nearby they can go and play with.

How many people are being preyed on by others with no escape? Yes its fine to say people can move house but how do you do that when you can't get 5 minutes apart to even call a friend for help.

Businesses are on their knees with little or no support. Restaurant doing their best to keep a bit of turnover, turning to doing take aways, getting kicked while they are down, just screw the nut a bit tighter stop people going in to collect or order food.

The long term impact on covid will be felt long after its controlled. A better balance is required for everyone's sake.

Balance is impossible when it's a virus you're dealing with surely? Until now it's either been out of control or we've been locked down and it's been comparatively under control.

If there was a balance to be had every country would have taken that option.

Hopefully it will become more of an option as the vaccine starts to take hold.

A cautious route out of lockdown should allow that.

TBH excluding the virus or going for as near as possible elimination a year ago would have meant all of these terrible other harms wouldn't have happened.

But we can't go back unfortunately.

How could you eliminate it a year ago.

One truck driver doing multiple drops could easily infect loads of people. Elimination only works in countries which are completely isolated. It will never happen in a country with 100s of traffic in and out daily.

I think it's a bit close to the bone to say that if we don't open sooner many people won't have lives to go back to, when more than 100,000 people have actually lost their lives.

The worst case Scottish figure is under 10,000, every death being an incredibly sad loss to their loved ones. I’d not dismiss that or try to diminish that loss.

We are however talking about removing the human rights of over 5,000,000 million people, their right to a family life, to work and be productive, to associate with other. A good proportion of those will have lost so much their businesses, jobs, family members, their mental health in tatters.

Health care provision has been so reduced - my DD has aged out of an operation that she really needed and would have made a huge difference to her quality of life ongoing, she won’t get that back now, but more worrying is the number of people who haven’t had assessment, diagnosis and treatment for conditions that could equally end their life. Parents who are barely coping or not coping any longer, who’s mental health has deteriorated, children taken into care, increase in domestic violence, people with disabilities not getting the care or support they need, carers left in impossible situations with no respite.

If you want to “gather perspective”, there you go.

@Lockdownbear no country is completely isolated.

Numbers as low as possible. LFT of people coming in. Far stricter rules regarding movement and behaviour when dropping goods etc.

If we had, as a United Kingdom, taken a hard line a year ago, we could have eliminated it. We would have had to have been cautious getting goods in but it could have been done.

Sadly our PM was on This Morning saying the best course of action was to let it rip through

Still not seeing the crassness in that statement. Living isn't just about being not dead.
Plus people die in their millions every year, why is it just crass in relation to covid deaths, are they somehow sadder?

Stop and think how many trucks and drivers enter the uk daily?
How many roll off a ferry into Australia or NZ daily?

How many of those drivers unknowingly infected loads of people daily, multiple drops, multiple pockets?

I don't think we'd have eliminated it a year ago regardless of what we'd done. For one thing we have a land border with another country.

@MaxNormal

Still not seeing the crassness in that statement. Living isn't just about being not dead. Plus people die in their millions every year, why is it just crass in relation to covid deaths, are they somehow sadder?

Fine, if you can't see it, I'm not here to explain it over and over.

We're entitled to differ in our views you know, it doesn't make my views wrong.

I agree that every death is an absolute tragedy. But we don't have stories on the news every night (at any time) talking about number of Scottish deaths that day - cancer, road accidents, suicides, heart attacks etc etc. The sad reality is that people die, every single day. We just don't usually publicise that number.

I genuinely have no idea how proportionate or otherwise the covid number is. I know this virus is easier to transmit but we now have a vaccine.