Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

@StatisticallyChallenged

It is a bit like choose your turd isn't it. Would you like

• anti-woman, uber wokey, unionist and generally ineffectual turd
• champagne socialist, wokey but with splinters from fence sitting on everything, student union politics turd
• uber wokey, car hating, snp ass kissing pro indy turd
• women hating, rule inventing, increasingly looking corrupt as hell, pro indy but won't use the powers they actually have turd
• contracts for cronies, policies for rich folk turd

Let's face it they're all shite

You win the internet for today. I think these should be on large advertising hoardings everywhere. Which sort of turd do you want?

@anon444877

I see this time and again - if labour went for what, a free vote on whether they should support a referendum at their conference, that's democracy, but labour politics believes in transfers from richer to poorer, and there's absolutely no logic in cutting yourselves off from the transfers coming from London to the rest of the UK.

Covid has made the poorest educated and youngest people worse off, voting to make them poorer isn't very labour.

There are no 'transfers' of cash coming from London to the rest of the UK nations.

Indeed, a petition was refused by the UK Parliament on the basis that it contained a lie - the lie being that England subsidises Scotland.

Also I find it depressing that if 'transfers' of cash come from London, then they genuinely think that should be the limit of what we can expect.

It's worth noting that no amount of money (even if we were being miraculously gifted bundles of cash) will ever give us a vote that counts in WM. Clearly even voting repeatedly for a pro-indy ScotGov doesn't mean anything at all.

carry on with your magical thinking starry the Barnett formula benefits Scotland hugely.

It's embarrassing how they can't even be arsed to pretend they care about what Scotland might think.

What, like the "once in a generation, we'll respect the outcome" SNP? They weren't remotely arsed about what the majority of Scots voted they just carried on anyway. They have no high ground on ignoring the will of the people

I don't think we're going to persuade each other to change our votes, perhaps we'd best leave it as we've had these arguments before.

tbh I've come round to the view that Scotland probably needs to go independent to get over the division, and the unionists that want to be part of the UK will perhaps have to leave and things can move forward. A bit like Brexit eh? The nationalists shouting the loudest.

The points about not caring about the transfers is valid - it makes no sense to me but genuinely thinking you're happy with whatever setup costs, borrowing and spending cuts are needed is coherent.

I think you're right @anon444877 unfortunately the closer we get to elections the more tempting it is to get political, but if we stick vaguely to covidish discussions then there should be some common ground.

yes even I'm worn out with listening to myself argue about anything really :) I just want a bit of a life at this point.

Yeah same, feel like I've said it all before (MULTIPLE times ) and it's just depressing now to rehash it all. It is what it is at this point.

It's 21 minutes until I'm opening a beer. That's the stage I'm at.

ha was just looking for a corkscrew :)

I'm already looking forward to virtual work drinks at 530 tomorrow mines an aperitif spritz. I plan to be hammered by 7.

@anon444877

tbh I've come round to the view that Scotland probably needs to go independent to get over the division, and the unionists that want to be part of the UK will perhaps have to leave and things can move forward. A bit like Brexit eh? The nationalists shouting the loudest.

The points about not caring about the transfers is valid - it makes no sense to me but genuinely thinking you're happy with whatever setup costs, borrowing and spending cuts are needed is coherent.

So if you don't want independence then you should just leave Scotland?! Jeez

The referendum wasn't labelled once in a generation or if we decide the polls are going in our favour!
I stick by a pandemic isn't the time to spend millions when people are in such desperate state and businesses having to close. You know there are now 3 food banks in my medium sized town of 10,000?

We had one this time last year. Spend money on economic recovery not bloody expensive advertising campaigns

you know I agree with that scottish, leave or accept I suppose - one side is going to have to cave aren't they, for us to all move on.

Right, back to that wine! rookie always a good plan for a Friday night!

@anon444877 except tomorrows Thursday

That's ignoring the second half of that statement @Scottishskifun

"Ahead of the 2016 Scottish Parliament election, the pro-independence Scottish National Party (SNP) said that a second independence referendum should be held if there was a material change of circumstances since the 2014 referendum, and specified one of those as the UK leaving the European Union" (that's from Wikipedia)

Just heard that I have a day's work as an extra on Saturday. Ridiculously excited even if it means an early start. Just driving out of Glasgow is going to be liberating.

I sneaked into Edinburgh for a (very very elective) medical appointment in January and it was so fucking exciting. I had forgotten how completely beautiful Edinburgh is.

@GirlLovesWorld sounds delightful. I'm stuck in a council area that doesn't have much going on. It's not ideal!

OK I'll just move to Northumberland then heck it will save me over 2k a year in extra tax! My yearly prescriptions doesn't cost 2K!

Thats the SNP words not what was agreed at the time of the last referendum.

rookie it's good news, it means you can have a drink tonight and still give your liver a rest day! Enjoying a really good glass of red here. After making the worst mistake to date at work today :)

The only two things that would stop me leaving is my mum and my sister.

I used to love Scotland and be really proud of my country. Unfortunately not any more!

Who agreed it @Scottishskifun? I genuinely always thought it was an off the cuff comment by Salmond to encourage people to vote?

What a shame @Lockdownbear . What's caused you to feel like that?

I've just seen a report on BBC the hospitality sector are looking for dates.
Worried that people will book elsewhere if Scotland don't know if they'll be open. Ie if people are booking a UK holiday they don't know if Scotland will be open or shut so they are opting to book elsewhere.

Oh and the same people looking for work.