Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

@ashmts

Douglas Ross saying FM's reference to last year fail to acknowledge that "the vaccine changes everything". Also saying it's ridiculous that the date for pupils returning is over Easter holidays.

Never thought I'd be agreeing with a Tory. Might even vote for them!

Ah yes, Douglas Ross. The politician who leads others by sharing The Sun every chance he gets. Yeah, vote for him (!) He clearly knows what he's talking about.

[quote rookiemere]@GirlLovesWorld but their risk averse ness assumes there are no negative consequences associated with prolonged lockdown.

It's like when I worked at bank of Scotland and all the risk averse people took their bonuses as shares for a rainy day as that was the sensible thing to do until 2009 happened and they are now worth diddly squat.

Keeping the country in lockdown for a minute longer than it needs be has just as many consequences as opening up
Too soon. Just because those consequences are economic and long term doesn't make them any less real.[/quote]
You do realise that opening up too quickly is one of the main reasons why the UK has the worst economic impact from Covid?

@rookiemere or they have considered that, weighed up their options and gone for the lesser of two evils.

I hardly think they don't realise or don't care about the negative impact of lockdown.

Everyone talks about it all the time. They're hardly likely to have missed it.

I don't know starry I don't watch Boris as doesn't apply to me - but UK date for international travel is may 17 at which point all tiers of relatives are enabled.

If Scotland is going to be august plus tiers dependent for any travel not within Scotland it's a wee bit more of an important point...

Have to say I do agree with Douglas Ross regarding the return to school date !

@rookiemere she did specifically talk today about opening things as fast as possible once the data supports it. It's not like she's saying 'that's the plan regardless of what happens between now and x date'.

Opening up too quickly is the fastest way to fuck things up though, I think.

Opening up too quickly is the fastest way to fuck things up though, I think.

For covid, I generally agree.

But covid isn't the only thing important to the country at the moment (or in future).

Who on Earth in SG thought having a return to school date in the holidays was going to be ignored? Or are there so few of them dealing with children at home so the holidays mean nothing?

Was it all a bit of a bodge because, let's face it, Nicola Sturgeon is currently fighting for her political life. She is in open warfare with Alex Salmond. There is lots of evidence / rumour that she misled Parliament and must resign.

Also, there is the GRA. Joanna Cherry and that mad definition of transphobia as well as the quite frankly Orwellian hate bill.

Oh and the failure to release the OECD report into education (which means it's bad) and the possible bill for the Rangers debacle.

No wonder she botched it. It is a wonder she made it to the podium at all.

And the pressure of an imminent election.

It is all a bit of a shambles. I don't think they would be in this position if there was a more effective opposition, but they've been able to start to take the electorate for granted.

I want an independent Scotland more than I want an SNP government to lead it. I'm really struggling to know what to do; vote for indy or vote for women. I can't believe that's the choice I have to make either.

@GirlLovesWorld I completely agree with you.

I have no idea how to vote.

I want indy but I'm quite appalled by how much the SNP take votes for granted.

And if not SNP, then who? SNP were always in my opinion the "best" of the bunch... now I dislike them as much as I dislike the rest.

It's so sad. They were so close to getting it over the line but now I'm not so sure. I was devastated in 2014, and now I'm not sure we'll see it in our lifetime.

But the fact that not everyone has been vaccinated, especially younger people, is irrelevant because for the vast majority of people Covid remains a mild disease. Only one of the people I know who has definitely had Covid (15 varying in age from 35 -60) needed to be admitted to hospital for oxygen / monitoring.

Please don't abstain or waste your vote. I was a fan of both the SNP and NS but am very concerned at the way in which we appear to have become a 1 party state - largely because of the lack of effective opposition. I think the Scottish Parliament is very unbalanced and as others have said SNP now take lots for granted

Oh I would NEVER abstain! I'm just undecided that's all.

The thing is, the fact that the opposition parties are shite doesn't make me think they'd be an effective government!

I think the SNP are the only game in town for an indy supporter realitically. It's the women's issues I'm struggling with, I don't want my vote to be taken as tacit support for their stance on women.

And if not SNP, then who?

Whoever in your area is most likely to take the seat from SNP.
Pointless voting for the party who's in 3rd place, Scotland needs change and a strong opposition if we can't get rid of SNP.

It is a bit like choose your turd isn't it. Would you like

• anti-woman, uber wokey, unionist and generally ineffectual turd
• champagne socialist, wokey but with splinters from fence sitting on everything, student union politics turd
• uber wokey, car hating, snp ass kissing pro indy turd
• women hating, rule inventing, increasingly looking corrupt as hell, pro indy but won't use the powers they actually have turd
• contracts for cronies, policies for rich folk turd

Let's face it they're all shite

I agree, we won't. It's not going to happen . And devolution will be impacted by the Internal Market Bill.
Healthcare centres have already been sold to private companies down south and with UK minister in charge of health care in Scotland (under the IM Bill), I can't say I'm sure that won't happen here.

@anon444877

I don't know starry I don't watch Boris as doesn't apply to me - but UK date for international travel is may 17 at which point all tiers of relatives are enabled.

If Scotland is going to be august plus tiers dependent for any travel not within Scotland it's a wee bit more of an important point...

August? Eek 🙈

I tend to assume the SNP will be in the majority so then it becomes a question of who will challenge/hold to account best. But the issues around women are a whole other thing !

There's no opposition because, unfortunately, the opposition parties don't work for the people of Scotland. Each party leader is biding their time until made a baroness / lord by the UK Government. It's true. Ruth is going soon. If Labour get in, they'll be rewarding their own with the same.

what choices eh statistically choose the shite that smells least bad to you.

Yeah it's hard to claim you're working hard for the people of Scotland when you're not really a supporter of democracy. If Keir Starmer had come out and said he personally was not pro-Indy, but he was pro-democracy, and on that basis would support a referendum, Labour's chances would have shot through the roof.

It's embarrassing how they can't even be arsed to pretend they care about what Scotland might think. How they imagine they'll improve their current standing without being able to encroach on the SNP's pro-indy stance is beyond me.

I see this time and again - if labour went for what, a free vote on whether they should support a referendum at their conference, that's democracy, but labour politics believes in transfers from richer to poorer, and there's absolutely no logic in cutting yourselves off from the transfers coming from London to the rest of the UK.

Covid has made the poorest educated and youngest people worse off, voting to make them poorer isn't very labour.

Does it still? I mean, I've voted Labour in the past, but the current version doesn't bear much resemblance to that as far as I can tell. I genuinely have no idea what they stand for now, apart from parachuting unpleasant young men into women's roles.

I sort of want to do more reading about them but at the end of the day, they're opposed to my core voting belief. Believe me, I'd love to have more options!