Tiers until the end of time

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Quickly putting this up as last thread is full

No I don't believe she did @Coquohvan

@anon444877 did you watch? There was a whole bit where she discussed how she can't put a date on things, to do so would be little more than guesswork etc at this point etc.

There's definitely a lack of mention of the vaccine...that's a a major difference from last year.

She just said that what she said today is no different from yesterday...it is! Yesterday it was 'at least level 3', today it is 'perhaps level 2'

It isn't about the date it's about the step - did Nicola specifically mention anything about people travelling around the UK and say that we'd be able to do that at the same step as when we are able to travel in Scotland?

I want confirmation I'll be able to see my mum and dad in England or my aunt in Wales when people with relatives in Scotland can see theirs.

No I didn't watch which is why I'm asking.

SAGE refers to vaccines and the fact that despite vaccines being done at the rate they are, hospital cases would be higher than January if restrictions are lifted by May.

This is due to younger people not having been vaccinated and the fact that the vaccinations are not 100 per cent full proof.

it doesn't require any guesswork to say which stage of the road map or tier system people will be able to see relatives in rUK.

Are we going to have 3 tiers for relatives:

1. Relatives in Scotland
2. Relatives in rUK
3. Relatives abroad

?

@Coquohvan BBC now saying it's the Kent variant and a professor (not JVT) saying it's unclear how it will react when lockdown is lifted. Maybe once they have evidence the vaccine covers things will improve?

I've only just found this thread. Scunnered with it all now. I'm a HCP and was massively in favour of lockdown last year but enough is enough. The aim of lockdown was to prevent the NHS being overwhelmed, not to prevent anyone dying, ever.

I didn't see all of it, I was hoping you'd seen something I hadn't!

I'm not sure I saw travel mentioned, no. It could have come up later, although what I saw her say about not putting false dates on things leads me to believe it wasn't in her briefing statement.

I'd imagine a journalist asked about it, but there's no chance she's going to give a date at this point.

Thanks @Girl I couldn’t bring myself to watch she raises my BP.

I'm not looking for a date, I'm looking for a confirmation of whether my English and Welsh relatives are grouped as 'International' or 'Scottish'

@StarryEyeSurprise

SAGE refers to vaccines and the fact that despite vaccines being done at the rate they are, hospital cases would be higher than January if restrictions are lifted by May.

This is due to younger people not having been vaccinated and the fact that the vaccinations are not 100 per cent full proof.

I actually think this is the scariest period: bored population who start doing what they want because some people are vaccinated. The vast majority of adults won't be until the end of the summer, I think.

I don't want it, I don't want Long Covid, I don't want vaccine mutations encourage by loads of unvaccinated people mixing.

@ashmts thank you.

Yes @GirlLovesWorld. I can't believe the amount of people who have decided that the scientists have forgotten about the vaccines!!

@StarryEyeSurprise

Yes *@GirlLovesWorld*. I can't believe the amount of people who have decided that the scientists have forgotten about the vaccines!!

If you want to talk ideological stances, that's definitely one!

@anon444877 no commitment to the step point for English/scottish travel restrictions to be lifted no.

Nice to see a change in tone today, although I see we're getting the same kind of gaslighting about 'nothing being different to yesterday' that we did with the 'Blended Learning' U-turn last summer.

I don't know why they are so determined to dismiss the vaccines and the clear evidence that we have already that they work really well, even with the Kent variant. JVT has a highly relevant area of expertise and really knows his stuff, so if he says that the vaccine is working against this variant I believe him. All this talk of 'we don't know for sure what will happen', well we already have strong evidence that it will work, what more are they looking for? It reminds me of when they closed nurseries up here (but not elsewhere in the UK) stating that they didn't know the impact children would have - there was already clear evidence at that point that nurseries were a negligible source of transmission, which was exactly why the other nations kept them open. There's caution and there's paralyzed by fear, and with lockdown harms stacking up while COVID harm tumbles that's not where we need to be.

@StarryEyeSurprise I'm not saying the scientists have forgotten vaccines, I'm saying they've hardly been mentioned when discussing the plans to get us out of lockdown. It all seems to be based around cases, which is a much less relevant measure than hospitalisations or deaths if the vaccine reduces disease severity but not disease. And the SAGE screenshot is talking about if all restrictions are lifted by May, I don't think anyone is advocating that.

I actually think this is the scariest period: bored population who start doing what they want because some people are vaccinated. The vast majority of adults won't be until the end of the summer, I think.

Not sure "bored" is the right word. Most people I know are hanging on by their fingertips for a variety of reasons. Desperate might be more like it.

I got zero sleep last night, I'm currently shaking with tiredness whilst looking after (badly) a non napping 2 year old. Lockdown exacerbates my ptsd symptoms in a variety of ways whilst also removing my coping mechanisms. My friends have different challenges but all are struggling.

thanks @Scottishskifun

I think the belief is that the scientist are deliberately ignoring the vaccines.

I feel the same @GirlLovesWorld I think this is a really critical time they are very aware of it.

I don't want it either. I don't want long covid and I don't want to be that outlier who dies from it.

A woman in her forties where I live with five children died a few weeks ago. Five kids. No underlying health conditions.

And why are SG not happy with Barchester care homes wanting visitors to be vaccinated too before allowing visits to care homes ? BBC report Jason Leitch saying that because residents are vaccinated and with visitors using PPE and handwashing all will be fine. Isnt this a touch contradictory ?

@StarryEyeSurprise

Yes *@GirlLovesWorld*. I can't believe the amount of people who have decided that the scientists have forgotten about the vaccines!!

So the sage report also has a caviat in it that unless efficacy is higher..... Latest research shows after 1 jab that it is.

I'm not saying that scientists have forgotten about the vaccination I'm saying that the Scottish government are not applying it in their modelling for looking at levels or take into account for tier thresholds. This is all contained within the Scottish government document BTW it's not me having some weird rant! It's within the text of the Scottish government document!

Douglas Ross saying FM's reference to last year fail to acknowledge that "the vaccine changes everything". Also saying it's ridiculous that the date for pupils returning is over Easter holidays.

Never thought I'd be agreeing with a Tory. Might even vote for them!

I honestly think they're just very risk-averse and determined not to give false hope. It's doesn't work for everyone, obviously!

Hope you find better days soon @Dinosauratemydaffodils

@anon444877

I'd like Sturgeon to out and out confirm that people can travel within the UK at a certain point to end the uncertainty...Jason Leitch isn't a politician in charge of travel restrictions.

But didn't Boris refer to only intra England travel until at least the summer?

@GirlLovesWorld but their risk averse ness assumes there are no negative consequences associated with prolonged lockdown.

It's like when I worked at bank of Scotland and all the risk averse people took their bonuses as shares for a rainy day as that was the sensible thing to do until 2009 happened and they are now worth diddly squat.

Keeping the country in lockdown for a minute longer than it needs be has just as many consequences as opening up
Too soon. Just because those consequences are economic and long term doesn't make them any less real.