Just in tiers with it all now ....

[dancemom]

New Thread, same old situation....

No @kurtrussellsbeard not you

But it’s depressing the vitriol you get

You can't address poverty related inequality through healthcare and education. Not entirely sure why people think you can.

They're certainly on the list of levers you can pull - poor quality, slow healthcare leads to increasing disability/inability to work, leads to poverty, for example. Education can and does lift people out of poverty. Good quality, affordable childcare is closely related and makes a big difference.

The Scottish Government has plenty of areas where it can help to address poverty.

Good education and childcare is key to equality

@WouldBeGood

I was told on here that yoon is not perjorative..

Oh yeah, I wouldn't call anyone a yoon! I think that's quite harsh Twitter speak

Then again if you tweet SNP support you're painted as a raging Cybernat. The whole political debate sphere is toxic.

Well the error there is tweeting politically if you wish to be thought of as not being politically motivated.🤷

See Professor Sridhar.

Well her job is in global public health, so you can't really do that without taking a view on how different governments have approached the pandemic. By default that's 'political' I guess. Seems to me she's qualified to say what she damn well pleases on the issue!

No, her political error was saying that people who didn't support independence were "Anti-Scottish". Yes she retracted it and yes she said that she didn't mean it, but come on. This is a smart woman who has been in Scotland long enough to know how inflammatory that sort of language is. She;s quite clearly not an independent expert.

@OldRailer

Well the error there is tweeting politically if you wish to be thought of as not being politically motivated.🤷

See Professor Sridhar.

I don't think Professor Sridhar is overly politically motivated - she gives her opinion on both the UK and Scottish Government's actions in regards to the pandemic.

It's different with someone like Neil Oliver who is paid a lot of money for writing pieces which contain very inflammatory language - cancerous, dictator etc.

So NS has said that their route out of lockdown will "broadly follow" the UK government route

How broad are we thinking though??

@RaspberryCoulis

No, her political error was saying that people who didn't support independence were "Anti-Scottish". Yes she retracted it and yes she said that she didn't mean it, but come on. This is a smart woman who has been in Scotland long enough to know how inflammatory that sort of language is. She;s quite clearly not an independent expert.

I don't really get the argument. Because she advises governmental policy on this pandemic, she can't also have opinions about the politics of the country she lives in?

Why does she need to be politically neutral in all areas, because she advises in one area?

I'm not really for this absolute neutrality that people seem to expect in public life now; if someone who lives in Scotland is asked to advise the government, you can damn well guarantee they've already got a view on independence. Same as if someone was asked to advise BJ, they would have a view on, for example, Brexit, like DC.

I suppose the obvious difference is schooling with very different term dates anyway to work around and possibly adjust.

Then they didn't like pub mixing up here so maybe slower on that?

Maybe slower to encourage us back to the office? I would imagine slower on large events, just because I think Johnson seems a bit previous with that.

Politicians are never neutral but it is actually what NS said for many many months many many times that she wasn't driven by politics but by public health this veil seems to have slipped completely in the last few months.

As for who advises the govt actually civil servants have to remain neutral and advise based on facts and legislation. Whether a UK civil servant, Scottish civil servant or a public servant for council they all have to sign a code of conduct which means advising on facts and showing no opinion in public life. Politicians are different.

@dancemom

So NS has said that their route out of lockdown will "broadly follow" the UK government route

How broad are we thinking though??

My feeling is the order of relaxation will be the same, but the dates and method they do it will be different. So rather than having all the country move at the same time like in England, it sounds as if SG are thinking of moving back to tiers. But within that, schools will fully open, then outdoor socialising, then gyms/ hairdressers/shops (or whatever order) and finally pubs and holidays in 2025. The "foreign holidays" thing will be interesting, as in Scotland it sounds like that won't be permitted this year, so I assume there will be some murmurings about border control if it does go ahead in England

Though Easter hols arent going ahead in England either which is quite surprising. I'd have thought cottages/ hotels etc and outdoor restaurants would have been allowed to open that weekend. But they presumably want to avoid/postpone the inevitable scrum til just after Easter.

@Scottishskifun

Politicians are never neutral but it is actually what NS said for many many months many many times that she wasn't driven by politics but by public health this veil seems to have slipped completely in the last few months.

As for who advises the govt actually civil servants have to remain neutral and advise based on facts and legislation. Whether a UK civil servant, Scottish civil servant or a public servant for council they all have to sign a code of conduct which means advising on facts and showing no opinion in public life. Politicians are different.

The FM said she's not taking decisions based in what politically helps here and if you compare the UK and SG, Johnson appears to really go for vote winners over the science whereas the FM has peed off a lot of people. For example, locking down Glasgow for months but it's no doubt saved lives. Whereas the UK Government refused to lockdown areas with much higher Covid.

Again though, her job in global public health means she has to view the pandemic through the lens of government policy. That's what's she does.

If you look through her feed that's what she's doing, and she's entitled to. She's comparing approaches and if her considered opinion is that one approach is better than another, I am lost as to what the problem is with her saying it.

Sounds like basically she isn't saying what you'd like her to say and that's really the issue 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yes , I don't think the whole 'Freedom' headlines from yesterday really match up to the reality of Johnson's plans.
Was it the end of May he said for self catering? I can't remember but I think the date referred to also had the caveat to 'stay local' still. Not sure if that just means to stay in England or tighter than that.

So.. not much difference from the SG and NI plans was the point I was getting to!

I just want to hear when the rest of the primary kids are going back to school. That's it.
Well obviously there are dozens of things I want, but that one would make the most difference to our lives. Even the high schoolers would benefit massively from their younger brother going back to school even if they didn't.

Is anyone still using the NHS tracing app? I was quite randomly thinking about this the other day. I've got it sitting on my phone but never turn my location and bluetooth on, it never occurs to me to use it. I guess no-one is going anywhere so it's not very useful right now.

She lock down Glasgow too slowly and refused to put a travel limit in place on Glasgow for weeks even saying you can go on your October holidays if booked but we don't advise....... How is that saving lives when Aberdeen was lock down within a week and had a travel ban in place for 3 weeks. Why wasn't a Glasgow travel ban applied at the same it was lock down if it wasn't political in that a large voter area and supporter of SNP is Glasgow........

It's not that she doesn't say what I want her to I'm fully aware of the sacrifices everyone has to make it's the fact that sweeping statements are made with no further information or taking days/weeks to then provide guidance.
There has been no substantial information on what the plan is for ages, no how are they targeting high areas. Its nearly the end of Feb and they are just starting this in some areas.

Liverpool had full asystematic testing in November after being lock down it dramatically reduced numbers so why hasn't this been applied to Glasgow given its been shown to be effective months ago?!

Glasgow did have asymptomatic testing centres back in November

@Scottishskifun

She lock down Glasgow too slowly and refused to put a travel limit in place on Glasgow for weeks even saying you can go on your October holidays if booked but we don't advise....... How is that saving lives when Aberdeen was lock down within a week and had a travel ban in place for 3 weeks. Why wasn't a Glasgow travel ban applied at the same it was lock down if it wasn't political in that a large voter area and supporter of SNP is Glasgow........

It's not that she doesn't say what I want her to I'm fully aware of the sacrifices everyone has to make it's the fact that sweeping statements are made with no further information or taking days/weeks to then provide guidance.
There has been no substantial information on what the plan is for ages, no how are they targeting high areas. Its nearly the end of Feb and they are just starting this in some areas.

Liverpool had full asystematic testing in November after being lock down it dramatically reduced numbers so why hasn't this been applied to Glasgow given its been shown to be effective months ago?!

We have had asymptomatic testing in Glasgow for months - I know a large centre in Easterhouse was open in November. Yes, she said we don't advise you go on a holiday in October and hotels were closed if I remember correctly. It's important to remember that Glasgow has never had the high cases that the Eng Gov allowed to happen via a refusal to lockdown (Over 1,000 cases per pop).

What are we talking about here - "Glasgow". The figures in the Glasgow city council area have indeed been high and there have been outbreaks caused by all the same factors which always cause outbreaks - students, high density housing, multi-generational living, people in jobs where working from home isn't possible.

But numbers in areas surrounding Glasgow like East Ren, East Dunbartonshire, Inverclyde, Argyll and Bute have followed hteir own pattern. They tried to tackle that with the ludicrous "don't leave your local council area" rule. But going forward, it's totally impractical to lock down one council area when one 2 miles away is open.

That's why the regional tiers thing is such a nonsense split down to the micro-management level. I get there is a separate argument for the Islands. But the mainland should move as one out of the restrictions.

I'm not holding my breath with this road map but will see in an hour or so.
I'm definitely not alone in reaching my limit and realising this is here to stay so SG elimination plan is futile. I will continue to follow the rules with meeting people, I don't go to the supermarket but I'm not accepting a Scottish/English travel restriction. As soon as England opens that's me off to see family and my DS seeing his grandparents!