Just in tiers with it all now ....

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New Thread, same old situation....

@WaxOnFeckOff

For me it's not even so much about the differences that make me angry, I'm doing bugger all anyway.

it's the appearing every day to scold and patronise and pile on negativity and to control the minutia of everything. Being treated like a toddler. It's the smug, I'm dong best but being constrained by westminster when it's not going so well but all down to scotgov if it's looking better. It's not a competition unless she can perceive that there is something she can say she is winning at - then it's a competition. Everything is politicalised, surrounds with toadying Yes people. making things different just for the sake of being different.

That's very much your perception, it's not at all mine.

I'm bored rigid of hearing 'oh she always has to go one better than Boris'. It's a child's argument. Maybe our government is capable of making grown up decisions all by itself.

@MaxNormal well I'm not grateful. I'd rather have them and be able to talk on the phone and text or whatever. I'm sure you're fabulous but I don't think being physically separated from you is worse than death.

I'm sure you're fabulous but I don't think being physically separated from you is worse than death

I wouldn't have mercy-killed them specifically to spare them from missing fabulous me, no. But is it is one less pain and worry for me and that's the truth.

If your parents are sick or vulnerable then you can travel to see them. That's essential. Nobody is keeping anyone away from poorly relatives.

@MaxNormal I'm genuinely so sorry that you feel that way.

Yes, me too. Although they didn't die from covid so are clearly are irrelevant

I'm sorry
I do also think that what has been done to a generation of elderly particularly in care homes is absolutely awful, and for some of them yes quite possibly worse than death, to be allowed to sink further into dementia without the comfort of family.
I hate how the UK has handled that. My friend in Germany is shocked, precautions were taken rather than stopping visits and she couldn't believe the cruelty of what was done here. In fact what is still being done.
I appreciate I've gone off topic as it's not Scotland-specific.

Sorry I clicked that too soon. I am genuinely sorry that you feel that way because it sounds awful. I think most people though would rather have their parents than not have them to spare the sadness of only being able to speak to them on the phone or FaceTime or whatever.

@kurtrussellsbeard it's an odd one. There's a lot of guilt and pain tied up with being a first-generation immigrant and the impact on family, particularly parents. I'd have been frantic not being able to go over and the guilt would have been difficult.

This way I can just continue to mourn them quietly, it's not an extra pandemic-related stress.

Absolutely MaxNormal. It's extremely upsetting what's gone on across the UK.

No wonder we might be grateful if our loved ones were spared it.

I do kind of get that but only because of the way one of my parents died. All germs were a worry. I probably was a bit thoughtless there and I apologise. A knee jerk reaction.

In some circumstances having parents alive in this would be worse.

@WaxOnFeckOff

I know - I was so happy when SNP won and thought that NS was one of the best politicians of our time I really really liked her - I'm so shocked at how much I dislike her now. She's on a total power trip and a one party government worries the hell out of me for our democracy going forward.

Unfortunately many don't see this or don't care so they'll be back in power again and forgetting that they are meant to represent everyone rather than just the people who happen to agree with them. Around a quarter of the available electorate voted for them and so here we are.

Turnout is usually very low as well. Best way to send a message is to vote anything except SNP/Green. Abstaining just allows them to claim victory. It's a PR system your vote does actually count.

Nothing to do with self perceived fabulousness here either.

Joining in from south of the border but born, brought up and educated in Scotland.
Both my DH and I have all our extended family in Scotland.

I cannot abide NS or the SNP.
The daily briefings are totally unnecessary.
I’ve watched a handful of them and I’ve found NS to be verbose and patronising and yet, huge swathes of the population seem to revel in NS clacking up to the podium and viewing her as doing a ‘good job’.

The constant veiled threats about border control between Scotland and England have as much, or more to do with stoking division than they do eliminating the virus.
It’s so incredibly stressful and actually cruel, now.
Not all of us have family who live just down the road.

I totally resent that I’m supposed to be beholden to the SNP, especially when they are mired in sleaze and ineptitude while telling the electorate constantly that they’re better.

I’ve followed every restriction.
I’m a vaccinator so I’ve had my first vaccine.
I wouldn’t dream of compromising my family in Scotland or the community in which they live.

I’m completely happy with my decision which was to leave Scotland for better career opportunities but I always thought I’d return.
If the SNP had done a good job of governing Scotland, I would understand the desire for Independence.

As it stands, I cannot imagine returning.

@fioreun she's from the Stirling area.

Everyone's affected in different ways. I understand people's worries re family. I thought myself, this morning, we may aswell live in Oz. But then told myself to get a grip! I'm still annoyed about the mum knowing her and her child had covid yet sent him in. It gets to me sometimes that some are seeing each other as normal.

Anyway, I have family coming back from a lush holiday who will now pay to quarantine ( I'm secretly pleased about that!) and someone who was due to come home from working abroad who has decided to stay there.

I do feel that quarantine's sensible and normal in a pandemic and I've not spoken to anyone that doesn't.

Re offshore- because of where I'm from, I have a lot of friends that work offshore. I'll need to ask them what they're doing re the quarantine as they've not mentioned

@ShowmetheSnowdrops why do you feel you're expected to be beholden to the SNP if you don't even live in Scotland.

Not everyone does have family just down the road but even those who do aren't supposed to be visiting them either!

I can think of few things more damaging to independence than to ease enough in summer for people to see family if they live in Scotland but to not let them see family from the rest of the UK. I was born in England and campaigned for independence. But I would not vote for indyref if this year they use devolved powers to stop me seeing my family, and I don't think I'm the only person with family across the border who'd feel that way.

@ShowmetheSnowdrops

Joining in from south of the border but born, brought up and educated in Scotland. Both my DH and I have all our extended family in Scotland.

I cannot abide NS or the SNP.
The daily briefings are totally unnecessary.
I’ve watched a handful of them and I’ve found NS to be verbose and patronising and yet, huge swathes of the population seem to revel in NS clacking up to the podium and viewing her as doing a ‘good job’.

The constant veiled threats about border control between Scotland and England have as much, or more to do with stoking division than they do eliminating the virus.
It’s so incredibly stressful and actually cruel, now.
Not all of us have family who live just down the road.

I totally resent that I’m supposed to be beholden to the SNP, especially when they are mired in sleaze and ineptitude while telling the electorate constantly that they’re better.

I’ve followed every restriction.
I’m a vaccinator so I’ve had my first vaccine.
I wouldn’t dream of compromising my family in Scotland or the community in which they live.

I’m completely happy with my decision which was to leave Scotland for better career opportunities but I always thought I’d return.
If the SNP had done a good job of governing Scotland, I would understand the desire for Independence.

As it stands, I cannot imagine returning.

You're contradicting yourself by saying that on the one hand, it's divise that the SG restricts non essential travel from outwith the country yet also saying you wouldn't compromise your family or the community they live in. Sounds like you're agreeing with the SG's stance?

@kurtrussellsbeard but people are anxious that NS seems to be trailing an approach whereby people with family down the road will be able to see them but those across the border will not. Never mind the fact that as long as the disgracefully costed quarantine hotels last those with normal incomes and families overseas will not be able to see them.

Yes but this isn't minority report is it. That's what was suggested if there was a discrepancy between the countries numbers wise. Which makes sense surely

www.glasgow.gov.uk/forms/futureprocessions/FutureProcessions.aspx

This is weird - I kinda thought we weren't allowed large gatherings outside at the moment says 1000 people for the SNP?

Am I imaging it?

Or, as per the Independent Article I linked to earlier, people realise the need to take action to keep mutations out. If England does not do this effectively, that leaves closing the border as the only option.

Keeping the mutations out means children back to normal life sooner and economic and social activity opening up sooner.

@BBCONEANDTWO that link says no processions. Don't know if there's another page maybe?

I’m not contradicting myself at all.
I’m saying that as there is no hard border between Scotland and England I will make my own risk assessment about visiting my family or have them come to me.
I’m a responsible adult who does not need to be told what to do by NS and her party who are using the pandemic to push a political agenda.

@fioreun except that's already failed and shown to have failed. England/Scotland travel ban was introduced in November Scotland still has the Kent variety in 2/3 of tests so after cross border travel was stopped for the majority. So it doesn't work at all in stopping new variants from England!

@ShowmetheSnowdrops see to be honest I'm not sure why you're listening to her anyway? She's the first minister of a country you don't live in. I think you're over invested.