No More Tiers (Enough is Enough)

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Here it is - thread 365 - was getting too twitchy....

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel I really don’t get what’s wrong with discussing what’s been floated in the weekend media

Lots of issues with repeating years particularly for those who are already deferred or older in the year group, March, April, May children. Can you imagine loads of 13 yos still in primary?
In turn hitting their 16th birthdays in 3rd year!

One of the arguments against deferring is kids can hit the legal school leaving age before they've sat any formal exams.

@MorrisZapp

The mask thing is a total red herring. Our case numbers are falling and so are hospital admissions.

Has that ever stopped them before though, Morris? Masks were first made mandatory in Scotland in June, when our numbers had been falling for months.

We know a couple of folk who work for Aviva and I think one of them told us that it costs the company something like £20k per desk per year to have the offices open? Not sure if that's true but they were about to move their offices out to Eurocentral and close the ones near Glasgow anyway.

One of the arguments against deferring is kids can hit the legal school leaving age before they've sat any formal exams.

Yes, they'd have to raise the age or kids could be leaving without any standard grades (or whatever they are in new money )

I don't think we have to figure out how repeating would work practically, just to acknowledge the principle that it ought to be on the table - it's very distressing for a parent whose child is behind at the end of the year to be forced to progress with still inadequate support and slip further and further.

After the war, we didn't simply assign degrees to returning soldiers or ditch exams altogether and start writing about their skills, some bigger thinking is needed.

Of course for the children that have coped they should be able to carry on.

rookie my dog's naughtiness is one of the things you end up remembering most, even as an arthritic extreme geriatric be managed to get up to an enormous height on his back legs to get at a pan of pasta (and crack the hob knocking over the pan to get the pasta out).

Don't waste your breath IncludeWomen. Boris Johnson appeared on TV last year saying that there was a school of thought that said we should take the virus on the chin but that this wasn't the approach we'd be doing.

It is now widely accepted 'fact' that he appeared on TV and told us that his plan was to take it on the chin.

They get asked and asked and asked if x is going to happen, and being politicians they know better than to rule anything out. Their refusal to rule things out then hits social media as 'he announced he's going to do x'.

It's beyond wearing.

My company have mentioned having a hotdesk system as a permanent thing. I'm guessing the logic is people will only be in the office part-time therefore less desks required, less floors of the building, lower bills for heating and rates and when the lease runs out lower rent.

They've already consolidated about 5 offices and shifted loads of jobs to Newcastle.

@anon444877 it definitely should be on the table and I think it should be to an extent in normal times too.
My nephew was 4 when he started p1 and in the summer my brother requested that he go back into p1 as he'd obviously missed so much school and was young anyway, it was refused and I honestly don't know why.

Thanks @MorrisZapp I thought I was a lone voice there!

This entire board is rammed full of wilful mistruths and sometimes I feel the need to try to combat it, but I am wasting my own energy really. This is why I spend so much time on the Good News Thread, it's much less hospitable to doom mongering, it gets called out straight away.

shouldistop have heard similar from friends too. I've said it before there's so much speculation in the media at every stage adding to panic.

Eh Mondays - time to grapple with the evil day!

Yip, another good newser here! Who knew that the arrival of the miracle of vaccines in a world topping roll out would result in furious fighting about who gets them first ie a in a few weeks instead of today. I'm naturally lazy, I can't find it in me to rage over every exact word any member of gvt says.

Things are rapidly improving and we'll get there.

Some kids do better with online learning than others. My S2 DD is ahead in many areas and average in others. I would be extremely pissed off if she was kept behind. She's already capable of Nat 5 level in social subjects she says she was told by a teacher.

I like good news too.

Swinney said they are "actively exploring" the specific mask requirement. Germany having already done it. So he was flying a kite for it?

I seem to recall the Welsh had recommended 3 layer masks for public transport a while back.

Either he was flying a kite for it or what he was saying was true - it's being looked at and that's all there is to say about it at this stage.

@MorrisZapp

Don't waste your breath IncludeWomen. Boris Johnson appeared on TV last year saying that there was a school of thought that said we should take the virus on the chin but that this wasn't the approach we'd be doing.

It is now widely accepted 'fact' that he appeared on TV and told us that his plan was to take it on the chin.

They get asked and asked and asked if x is going to happen, and being politicians they know better than to rule anything out. Their refusal to rule things out then hits social media as 'he announced he's going to do x'.

It's beyond wearing.

Yes, I understand this point, and the media have a lot to answer for (along with people deliberately insisting a Bad Politician said a Bad Thing because that fits their narrative). However, I still think JS should be a bit more canny than to say something that implies it will happen. When the journalist asked, (and it was a fair question, given German's decision to require these kind of masks, announced yesterday or Saturday, so he should have been prepared for it) he could easily have said "we have asked for our scientists to look at it and are waiting for them to report" or "the advice we have been given so far suggests there is minimal benefit, so we're not actively considering it at this time", or "we have taken advice and considered the pros and cons and decided that it would risk taking away supply from those who need them, so we're not requiring it at the moment but will keep it under consideration". Yes, all of these could lead to inference and he's "not ruling it out" - but "serious consideration" suggests to me they've gone beyond asking people to look at it, and are on the verge of making a decision and that decision is close on yes or no. Hence the worry. No, he's not ruling it out, which is fair, but he could have been a bit less "worrying" if he didn't want people to be worried.

I don’t understand why speculation about possible new measures is now banned?

It's not banned, what I'm saying is that it's disingenuous for a poster to claim he said something is actually happening when that is blatantly untrue.

I don't know why this is tricky to understand! We can discuss anything but if I came on here and said 'Well Sturgeon has said we are only allowed one meal a day from now on' that would be a lie. What the poster said about JS is no different.

This thread is for discussing all things related to the current Covid shit show. The mask story is prevelant across the MSM today, so it’s perfectly obvious why it’s being discussed on here🤷‍♀️

(Or do we all have to agree that the mostly inept, souped-up SNP councillors at the shortbread senate ScotGov are doing a grand job, before topics are approved for discussion?🧐)

I do feel I'm guilty of catastrophising some of the time and I'm sorry if that's seen as doom mongering. But I think we have been mongered a hell of a lot of doom over the past year, so it's not that surprising that we try to work out what the next piece of doom we will have to deal with will be.

I admit that I like this thread because it's NOT relentlessly positive, and "you have to make the best of a bad job... You're saving lives you know... " because a lot of the time I can't feel that, and it doesn't help me to have people suggesting I'm a bit pathetic/ a bad parent or whatever because of that. Bizarrely, I'm quite an optimistic person most of the time, and am taking comfort from the vaccinations and so on, but this pandemic is definitely bringing out my inner eeyore.

In other (snarky) news, I was amused to see the "blue envelope" vaccine invitations to the over 70s now aren't all going to arrive in blue envelopes. Presumably there was a cock up in the blue envelope ordering process. Ah well.... Hope the vaccine is the right colour.

@IncludeWomenInTheSequel

It's not banned, what I'm saying is that it's disingenuous for a poster to claim he said something is actually happening when that is blatantly untrue.

I don't know why this is tricky to understand! We can discuss anything but if I came on here and said 'Well Sturgeon has said we are only allowed one meal a day from now on' that would be a lie. What the poster said about JS is no different.

But if Sturgeon had said she was actively exploring the possibility of one meal a day, I would be fucking terrified...

Wow bit sensitive IncludeWomenInTheSequel. I'm not saying he's not telling the truth.

Flying a kite is not pejorative in my world. Feedback is good IST it?

Isn't it

They float these ideas specifically to get feedback and gauge public opinion

@LetItGoGo

Wow bit sensitive IncludeWomenInTheSequel. I'm not saying he's not telling the truth.

Flying a kite is not pejorative in my world. Feedback is good IST it?

No, I wasn't saying it was bad, I was just agreeing that, yeah, that might be what he was doing 🤷🏻‍♀️