Effects of Brexit deal on Scotland

[Justpassingtime1]

Assuming it all goes ahead what are the likely impacts on Scotland?

'I find you patronising and have you ever heard if dyslexia'

Your spelling is fine. The use of Capitals and punctuation seem to be your issues. I also find your posts tiring to follow.

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder, well, if I remember correctly, Orkney and Shetland joined Scotland in the 1450s. The union of the crowns happened in 1603, while the union of the parliaments in 1712 (don't quote me, I haven't checked the dates), so same ballpark. So why shouldn't Shetland and Orkney be allowed to secede? Does it only work one way? Only because Glasgow is heavier, it has to "drag against their will" other parts of today's Scotland? Very likely people in the borders feel more akin Yorkshire than the Highlands or Moray.
Should they be sequestered against their will? Shouldn't they have a say?
The same original sin that you accuse England of (i.e. the fact that it is too big and with too many people) is likely to be committed by the greater Glasgow area towards Scotland as it contains about 1/5 of the whole population.
Say yes wins by some margin, but in the borders they vote overwhelmingly "no", what then? Tough luck? In what way are you then better than the evil UK government?

Honestly @Arkadia you really sound desperate here.

Scotland is one country and England is another.
Scotland is large geographically and small in population. England is much larger in population. There is a clearly marked border between the countries, just as there is between most other countries in the world. Why are you still comparing regions and cities to entire countries?

A feature of all countries is that they contain regions, counties, cities, towns and villages. The residents of individual areas may vote differently but their reps are sent to talk on their behalf and make decisions to benefit the areas and the country. This is normal. This is what Scotland wants.

Glad I ignored this thread last night after the trolls came on - just trying to stir with their posts, which I'll ignore.

Have a lovely day all, we will get there.

From U.K. gov website

The Scottish Government raised £941 million less than expected in devolved income taxes in 2017/18, new figures from HMRC reveal today.

Scotland’s economy grew more slowly than the rest of the UK, hitting tax receipts and leaving the Scottish Government with a shortfall in funding.

Because of the risk sharing mechanism in the jointly agreed fiscal framework, the shortfall will be offset by a £737 million increase to the block grant funded by the UK Government. It means the Scottish Government will have to manage a reduction in funding in 2020/21 of £204million.

I think the Erasmus scheme was a jolly jaunt for very few people. One person I know who shouted how it changed their lives and it was awful how it was going, resides in Spain as an English teacher, is now a Spanish citizen and found teaching in U.K. too stressful...very nice for you dear, jog on.

I’d rather they directed money to funding meaningful work/ industrial placements and internships for students. Making good networks and contacts with actual business which leads to a job is what people want.
Most Scottish students through lack of funds or our general demeanour attend their local university, going abroad is way out of their comfort zone.
Twenty years ago hardly anyone I knew went on it apart from language students and their numbers are rapidly declining; my flat mate studying french and Italian went to France as a school language assistant (they got extra money as opposed to attending a university) and my friend studying law went to Canada. The law student had so much hassle in final year as her Scottish university didn’t give her year abroad as much weighting as if she had stayed where she was. More recently my dd was told by a professor on an offer holders day not to go abroad on Erasmus or further afield because the universities are not as good as it’s so difficult to stadardise every degree; if you go abroad her institution gives no % to you final mark from 3rd year, whereas I think 20% of your final degree comes from 3rd year. The professor advised leaving going abroad till you were a post doc.

A few years back my children’s school struggled to get a Spanish language assistant so they had to do without, so it’s not really working for the benefit of the wider community.

The only students both my dd know who want to go on Erasmus are EU students and often it’s not Europe they want to go to, north America, Australia and New Zealand seem more popular choices. In my dc experience most EU students attending Scottish universities are from very privileged backgrounds. In fact a high proportion’s parents seem to work for the EU and they get extra money because of it which just adds fuel that I think it’s just a gravy train, looking after their own. Their parents pay no taxes direct to Scotland or the U.K. I resent my taxes going to fund them rather than Scottish students who would have the chance to better themselves and directly contribute to the community I live in.

[quote donewithitalltodayandxmas]@DontWalkPastTheCastle but it will be for others , didn't something like 38 % of people vote leave at the time so its not top of everyones agenda [/quote]
Sure, but the the person who posted what she did made it up to suit her agenda. I was pointing out that for me EU membership is very much at the top of the list, and probably would be for some others too. I was just pointing out that it's a shite argument

I think the anger about Erasmus is that it's symbolic of a change in tone and direction of my country that I don't want to see.

A closing of doors between us and our nearest neighbours...it seems so small-minded and petty. Yay, truly a victory for our great nation

My ds went on the erasmus scheme 2 years ago. Hes the first in our family to go to uni. Dh and I are low earners. So getting the opportunity to study abroad for a year would have been impossible without erasmus.

Described above as a jolly jaunt is pathetic.

If taking away something that enhances a young person's life and gives them a one off opportunity is acceptable to you then you must be happy now @Jodri.

But dont try making it out like it was all fun and games for the rich kids, it was the opposite here.

I don’t agree, there is going to be a replacement named after Alan Turing hopefully more in tune with our country and how global the world has become.

Erasmus were unfairly funding other country’s students. Times change.

I'm not sure I'm against another vote indefinitely, I'm against another vote in the short term.

And @DontWalkPastTheCastle maybe, but if we have no physical border, what is to stop us doing something new and allowing some areas to belong to different nations than others? We have the technology to make that work. We may even all still have the same currency.

Anyway, all for down the line.

Until I see the new details I'll reserve judgement.

For a student from a low income family, the opportunity to study abroad is a one off.
I doubt the new scheme will benefit kids who dont have parents paying a lot more towards it.

@Jodri, I've just noticed you wrote 20 years ago hardly anyone you know went on it.

Then in your next post you wrote times change.

So are you comparing 20 years ago when you went to uni with now??

I think that this is not the right time for another referendum. The country/world is in turmoil over Covid which will have long term repercussions for the economy and will hit the poorest the hardest.

We need stability to recover from this and whatever the impact of Brexit turns out to be.

And Brexit should be a big warning sign, as many of those who voted for are accused of not knowing what they were exactly voting for and nor what they would get and yet even now, post Brexit, we are still unsure.

Any assertions of what will happen post independence are exactly the same, we don’t know apart from the fact that it will also cause massive economic instability as markets don’t like the unknown.

We can’t say that we will return to Europe, we can’t say we will be run by Labour or even whether we will use the pound. All we can say is that we will be independent and for a while (the period undefined), will be economic turmoil.

I am not prepared to sacrifice my children’s future for more uncertainty, they deserve me to vote with my head on what’s best for them rather than my heart.

ssd

Until I see the new details I'll reserve judgement.
For a student from a low income family, the opportunity to study abroad is a one off.
I doubt the new scheme will benefit kids who dont have parents paying a lot more towards it.

Good post ssd.

I was talking about me and my dc experience over two generations as opposed to hyperbole and hearsay which can unfortunately creeps into all forums and skew the discussion.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, this is merely my opinion.

Where's that from @Outsidemum1

Yes. Which company has that in their terms now Outside?

Fair enough @Jodri

I'm interested in everyone's opinion, I know it's good to try to see things from all sides.

I just hope my gut instinct about Brexit is wrong, I'll be the first to admit my mistake if it is.

@Outsidemum1 which company is that from? Looks like a scaremongering hoax.

No, it's true :

www.dutchbikebits.com/shipping

Here are the new post-Brexit VAT rules. Basically, overseas firms are forced to register with HMRC, collect VAT then remit it to HMRC if they want to sell to UK customers.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021/changes-to-vat-treatment-of-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-from-1-january-2021

William Shatner tweeted about this in October

And so we continue to make it less attractive for countries to trade with us. For why?? I've yet to be given a decent reason, or even one way in which our lives might be bettered.

So no, I won't give it a chance. It's a shit idea, it always was: even my kids know it's a daft idea to fall out with your closest friends.

Yeah it's not a hoax.

I don't know the name of the company, my sister sent me it as we're looking for a birthday present for my mother and she found one but we can't get it delivered here.

www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/18489-scottish-government-analysis-highlights-benefits-of-re-joining-eu.html

Link to some of the Scottish Gov's analysis.

How the hell can the UK government be requiring every seller everywhere to collect and submit VAT for it? It's barking mad. What do other countries do, fgs?
It's blatantly obvious that it will make it either impossible or much more expensive to buy things in the future.