Effects of Brexit deal on Scotland

[Justpassingtime1]

Assuming it all goes ahead what are the likely impacts on Scotland?

And if you go on holiday to the EU (with high health insurance costs, assuming you can get insurance), I think you can only spend about £200 on goods to bring back into the UK?
So we'll be paying massively massively more than EU residents for goods, assuming we're actually able to buy them.

Oh yes the VAT issue is horrifying the other way round too, our small company exports to individual customers all over Europe, when the new european VAT collecting system kicks in in July EU companies can do their monthly VAT returns through a centralised system, which we are now excluded from. This means that we will have to register for VAT individually in each country and file monthly VAT returns in each country (even in months we don't sell anything there). There's no exemption for small companies either like there is with the US or Australia. We're just going to stop selling in Europe or limit ourselves to Germany only (our biggest sales) almost half out turnover and growing nicely, the paperwork will be an impossibly expensive burden.
Postage has gone up too, for example, a parcel from Germany than cost £12 last week will now cost £32!
Paperwork is expensive!
Shame, it was doing very well and we'll have to develop other income streams now.
The big companies like Amazon are fine with it, they would be quite happy if more small companies were forced to sell through them or give up, they can afford the extra accountants or more expensive ecommerce software.
Its a slow motion car crash.

I wonder who they'll get to run this new thingy for sellers to the uk?

One of their pals?

Just sounds another racket to me.

I anticipate Scottish tourism taking a hit. It will be more hassle and more expensive to come here from the EU.
Plus our reputation has of course gone done due to Brexit, and will sink further as things in the UK continue to deteriorate.
Why visit the nutcase of Europe, at considerably higher cost and inconvenience?

Mind you if the pound tanks against the Euro it will be a cheap destination, that'll help tourism to an extent.

There'll be a lot of job losses, and then higher competition for the jobs that remain.

If people can't buy the things which have in the past been so easy and quick and cheap to buy, there's going to be a lot of frustration. Prices are going to go up a lot. People will start to see the realities.

I agree with PP that EU and brexit are way down the list of most people in Scotland’s priorities.

We certainly need to see the lay on the new land before making any rash decisions.

I did read an interesting article in the Sunday times today about the seed potatoes and fisheries deal which I’ve found information hard to find and at times confusing.

It states our biggest market for seed potatoes is apparently Egypt ( SNP rural affairs minister at the time specifically highlighted this export market in the event of a no deal but EU was not mentioned). For context, Seed potatoes exports to EU are worth £5m annually to Scottish economy, red meat exports to EU are worth in excess of £80m.

In fisheries there is £100m in place to ease the transition period of 5 and a half years where additional 25% of catch will be returned back to us (I read elsewhere that EU wanted 14 years transition period and U.K. wanted 3years so a compromise of 5 and a half years was reached). Apparently this deal is better than the export deal Norway has with the EU. Fisheries accounts for 0.2% of the overall Scottish economy and employs fewer than 5,000. For context the hospitality sector employs over 220,000.

So, if Scotland becomes independent and returns to EU does this mean we will return to the common fisheries policy?

I dont know anyone who isn't pissed off about leaving the EU. Its certainly up there in their priorities.

@ssd

I dont know anyone who isn't pissed off about leaving the EU. Its certainly up there in their priorities.

Yep. Same here. And all totally fucking scunnered with the Tory c*nts who got us into this mess.

The Brexit deal for us sheep farmers was like watching a massive ten tonne truck missing us by a centimetre. The seed potato famers have problems but Ewing says he will help them out. There are difficulties in exporting lambs for fattening to NI from Scotland.
However things have a way of working themselves out.
After the Brexit debacle, we need indy ref like we need a hole in the head.
Our single farm payments came early this year so I'm guessing the SNP want to keep us onside.

@TheSandman, Amen to that.

Just saw Spanish expats have been refused entry due to Brexit. You'd think the Gov would think ahead and let people know that new documentation is now needed to stay in the EU.

The government has form for placing all responsibility for correct documentation on yourself (pet passports for example) and I don’t agree with their opinion that they’ve recently spread that people pretty much travel abroad at their own risk, even in normal times.
But Jeez who on earth is travelling abroad when a pandemic is still going on, even if it is to go home? Did they come to visit family for the jolly festive season or stock up on free prescriptions (which my gp sister says is common)?
Unfortunate timing, cause they didn’t know brexit was coming.
By expats, do the newspapers mean they British immigrants living in Spain? The word evokes colonial superiority.

@Jodri So, if Scotland becomes independent and returns to EU does this mean we will return to the common fisheries policy?

Yep that was exactly my question up thread. Will we have to return the 25% we have gained from the Brexit deal?

@Outsidemum1 Just saw Spanish expats have been refused entry due to Brexit. You'd think the Gov would think ahead and let people know that new documentation is now needed to stay in the EU

New documentation is not needed. Iberia messed up because of a miscommunication by Spanish border police and have now apologised. Good headline though!

Edinburgh Zoo faces huge problems due to Brexit:
"We have a leading conservation genetics laboratory at Edinburgh Zoo which supports conservation projects around the world, and suddenly access to both funding and other researchers for this cutting-edge science has disappeared.

"While the full impact is yet to be seen, we are also facing increased challenges around moving animals between zoos, many of which are part of important European endangered species breeding programmes."

www.thenational.scot/news/18983136.ex-snp-deputy-jim-sillars-says-nicola-sturgeon-deprioritise-indyref2/

You realise she's clarified that a referendum won't take place during the pandemic? That aside, I'm sure that even you must agree that she's worked like a trojan since March?
Our other government has been MIA and is currently focusing on selling the 'success' of Brexit.

I've never denied she works hard. I think that she has also been very keen to have that work be visible. I'm not necessarily a fan of the UK wide government but you can't say that they haven't been working purely on the basis that they aren't on the TV everyday.

I think she needs to take her own advise from earlier in the year and show how well (or not) they can govern and run the country.

The folk saying get independence in and then vote for Labour etc have more chance of a Labour government in a shorter timescale by remaining in the UK.

Though that was a bit of a diversion from the point that they need to stop making everything about independence and focus on what matters at the moment.

In my opinion, a good leader must be visible. Especially in times of crisis.
Aware we're verging off topic so let's agree to disagree re the UK Gov's leadership.

Yep in your opinion...

Brexit will have a big impact on our household due to the nature of DH work, he did the majority of his work in the EU in 2019 and it was seamless.
His industry has been battered by covid and when that finally recedes they're facing a very different landscape. Total double shafting.