Effects of Brexit deal on Scotland

[Justpassingtime1]

Assuming it all goes ahead what are the likely impacts on Scotland?

@HeadNorth there is a huge amount of history to the FE Colleges in Scotland. To start with the Scottish Government ( maybe actually Mike Russell) tried to standardise salaries and standards across the sector as a result of a longstanding union campaign. Lots of individual colleges resisted and after that a good few went bust and ended up merging with larger institutions. Well paid deans and principals of the colleges were a major barrier to progress here and you can google this for yourself.
@Jodri abolishing the tampon tax ... that's great.
The Scottish Government provided free sanitary products for all before this.
You once saw some people handling the tampons somewhere and you don't like free stuff. You don't have to take it! Feel free to also pay extra VAT! But don't belittle an achievement that helps women to score a political point. It just destroys the rest of your argument.

@fastwigglylines where have you read a carnet will be needed ?
Only a few countries worldwide need one and they aren't that hard to do most freight forward companies do them as standard ?But I haven't see one would be needed for europe or a visa if touring for couple of days

@Outsidemum1 none of the ports from Scotland currently have live animal loading for exports, but animals are driven from Scotland into England and then loaded onto a boat to a port in Europe. So, animals are live exported.

There was nothing wrong with what PP said about Scottish ancestry, I mentioned that my grandmother was born and raised in Europe.

I think it’s awful that people living here have to validate their opinions and experiences.

[quote ikswobel]@HeadNorth there is a huge amount of history to the FE Colleges in Scotland. To start with the Scottish Government ( maybe actually Mike Russell) tried to standardise salaries and standards across the sector as a result of a longstanding union campaign. Lots of individual colleges resisted and after that a good few went bust and ended up merging with larger institutions. Well paid deans and principals of the colleges were a major barrier to progress here and you can google this for yourself.
@Jodri abolishing the tampon tax ... that's great.
The Scottish Government provided free sanitary products for all before this.
You once saw some people handling the tampons somewhere and you don't like free stuff. You don't have to take it! Feel free to also pay extra VAT! But don't belittle an achievement that helps women to score a political point. It just destroys the rest of your argument.
[/quote]
I was in the FE sector at the time, Russell starved us on money while generously funding Universities, closed down courses he considered frivolous (often the entry point back to learning for those furthest from education) and unltimately returned us to central government control without the ability to offer a demand lead curriculum. It was a disgrace to the young people and adult returners.

@outsidemum1 lots of people who live in scotland aren't scottish though ? I have scottish friends who live in enGland they don't consider themselves english , they are still scottish ? Although didn't get a vote on scottish independence

So yeah, don't patronisingly tell me to Google something I have direct experience of. And Swinney has done nothing to improve young people's life fe chances since. The Scottish government record on education in shameful - and that is my field so I don't need to google it thanks. I don't know what they have done elsewhere but in my field they have been crap.

@Jodri there was more to it than that and you must know the FE campaign led by the EIS at the time. There were staff redundancies to fund management pay and as a result courses were axed. The City and Guilds qualifications were also minimised to streamline the offer and it caused a lot of smaller courses to fold.

As of tonight the Tories have banned pulse fishing in UK waters.

I await the SNP telling us why this is evil.

@cdtaylornats could you start a new thread please, this has nothing to do with Brexit.

@outsidemum1 you need to read up more views than just this
Especially as oil does run out , scotland isn't the poor country some make out but its also not rolling in it and would not be able to pay in huge amounts to the eu like the uk as a whole did
Also if scotland becomes independent and wants to re join eu ,if they meet all criteria are willing in long term to adopt the euro etc it will still take several years to do so there is no overnight fix and of course they will need to have a border with england

@ikswobel it kind of does as they can know make these rules which they couldn't before

@donewithitalltodayandxmas utter rubbish, the EU ban on pulse fishing was due to be enforced in July 2021, it's just the UK government bringing us into line with this to ensure continuity as per the treaty.
It has nothing to do with how Brexit will affect us or the SNP.

I think I am going to flounce from this thread now, it's amazing to see posters absolutely tie themselves in knots to disagree with the SNP.
Of course Brexit is a nightmare because like every major top down reorganisation ever it makes extra work and delay with very little benefit. Most people in Scotland voted against it in 2016 from every political viewpoint.
But on Scotsnet naturally only the SNP are to blame for everything.

And Scottish independence makes its first foray on this discussion. What a surprise.

What did you expect? Seriously? With your Who knows and frankly who cares? comment did you really expect those of us who live in Scotland NOT to bring up the inevitable and rapidly approaching breakup of this rotten union?

they would need to adopt the euro among many other things

Cobblers - this lie has been going around so long it's got whiskers.
An independent Scotland would have to sign up to joining the Euro AT SOME POINT IN THE INDEFINITE FUTURE under whatever circumstances it feels like it. Someday. Maybe never.

maybe if they really want independence nicola needs to get the rest if the uk to vote as well

Why? Was the rest of the EU asked if it wanted Brexit? No. It's none of England's business if we want to sever the union. None at all. You don't get a say. Sorry. Suck it up.

Stop 500 people I. Your local supermarket and ask them what one thing they want the Scottish government to be concentrated on. They'll say health, education, jobs, Covid.

The Eu is way down that list.

@TheSandman but your own people don't get a say either if they live in england at the moment
And my point being that if you really want independence if we all voted it would likely be achieved .
Also yes you do have to sign up to the euro and I said eventually you would also need to set up your own currency , all can be done but needs to be explained how and the ramifications it will bring

@ikswobel the thread wasn't about the snp either

@TheSandman the euro joining isn't a maybe never its a sign up to it in the future
If snp want independence and re join the eu , they should show exactly what would be required and how they will plan to do this
It will take years just to become independent even on a yes vote , again it doesn't happen overnight

@TheSandman also how say it would have to sign up under whatever it feels like thats not true it would have to sign up under the eu rules of how this works which is quite complex and the money situation is something that would need to be addressed sooner rather than later
There is also no guarantee that the eu would let scotland join of course its not a def yes or no for that matter

@TheSandman the feeling amongst many english people is that the scottish hate the english and therefore many I know say they would happily vote for scotland to be independent so therefore some of scotland gets what it wants if the vote is put out to all
Plus uk breaking up is very different to the eu in many ways

@donewithitalltodayandxmas
Sorry but I find your run on sentences, lack of punctuation, avoidance of upper case letters, and hopscotch grammar posts too hard to read.

@TheSandman I find you patronising and have you ever heard if dyslexia or you just know some of what I posted is true so can't call cobblers like you did last time ?

@RaspberryCoulis

Stop 500 people I. Your local supermarket and ask them what one thing they want the Scottish government to be concentrated on. They'll say health, education, jobs, Covid.

The Eu is way down that list.

It isn't for me. You can't just make shit up and try to use it as a debate point 🤷🏻‍♀️

@DontWalkPastTheCastle but it will be for others , didn't something like 38 % of people vote leave at the time so its not top of everyones agenda