Effects of Brexit deal on Scotland

[Justpassingtime1]

Assuming it all goes ahead what are the likely impacts on Scotland?

Who knows and, frankly, who cares.
I need/want to move on. I am quite sure the sun will rise and set all the same: there will be some winners and some losers, but by and large life will carry on an normal, which is what is in everybody's interest.
In many ways I think that the Covid thing is good for Brexit because travel is curtailed anyway, so there is time to get things adjusted. My guess is that our lives won't be affected in any way (and it would be the same if we lived in Dorset or in Caithness).

And what do you mean with "if it all goes ahead"? It has gone ahead.

I've no idea. I'll be honest.

Business leaders seem to broadly be in favour, supermarkets are saying there won't really be any noticeable increase in prices or shortages. After 4 and a half years of wrangling I'm very happy to finally be moving on from the Brexit groundhog day and starting a new chapter was a fitting way to begin 2021. I really hope we can have a period of stability to try and rebuild the economy and society after the COVID crisis.

I presume for some people there will be a big impact but for the vast majority there might be very little.

I just hope that people look for positive opportunities regardless of whether they voted for it and don't just moan about what they no longer have.

Change is generally difficult anyway and people's mental health has taken a beating on top this year, timing isn't probably the best, but we are where we are.

Questions for me are .. is the deal worse for Scottish industry than English, potatoes and fish are two examples where Scotland loses more

.. Scotland has historically benefited from eu money more than England as it needed more, will money come direct from Westminster to make up the shortfall

I just hope that people look for positive opportunities regardless of whether they voted for it and don't just moan about what they no longer have.

No thanks. That just lets people get away with making shitty decisions. We shouldn't be rolling over to this.

@Y0uCann0tBeSer10us do you have any links to these business leaders who say it's a good thing?

Well it remains to be seen doesn’t it.

In practice I suspect people won't notice any material change. I have absolutely no idea about fisheries policy etc as I have never paid attention to it.

What a charmer you are! 🤣

If you want to live your life making the best of others bad decisions then you feel free.

How about you grow up and realise that political engagement isn't about making the best of things it's about engaging in meaningful dialogue about what goes well and what goes badly and trying to make changes as a result of that.

Well we have a manufacturing business that exports to Europe, more than half our business, there's going to be a significant increase in costs and paperwork (which is a cost) so i predict a major increase in doom and gloom from DH! We will have to see if it remains viable, a no deal would have been a disaster but we might be OK atm, especially if the pound tanks. The allied industry connected to our present business relied heavily on a young mobile pan european workforce so i suspect it will continue migrating to Ireland who have been encouraging it for years with tax breaks. To summarise, yes I think I will notice as my job will get nore complicated.

@Wbeezer yes I think it's going to be a major headache for many many businesses.

I think average people like me who don't have links to Europe will see little change in the short term but some economic impact in the medium to longer term (rising prices etc)

I think independence for Scotland and the reunification of Ireland are of course quite likely to be on the agenda as well.

It's no longer about political engagement as far as the changes that have been taken, obviously people can vote for what they want and campaign for what they want I terms of working with what we have though.

I didn't vote for it but I think cutting your nose off to spite your face is ridiculous. Everyone should be looking to see what they can do and what opportunities they can now look at. It doesn't stop them campaigning for something else at the same time.

I am not sure what engagement is to be had. The deal has been approved. It is done and dusted. The alternative is what, repeal it and go to a "no deal" situation?
As I said, there will be winners and there will be losers (the same would apply if we had the status quo). What the long terms effects are, remains to be seen and only time will tell.
I am just happy that it is finally done. Time to move on, everyone.

I'm sorry @WaxOnFeckOff I'm just a bit confused because in your other post you accused me of not wanting to engage and therefore letting it fail

I don't have the power to let it fail but I damn sure didn't want it and will repeatedly point out its many failings as they arise. Political engagement is crucial always or else what is the point?

@Arkadia political engagement is always important whether a vote has just been settled or not. We can't affect what has happened but we need to stay engaged about the future. Personally I hope to ensure either Scottish independence as a result of this catastrophe or to ensure that we as a United Kingdom oust the Tories as soon as we can (sadly many years down the line).

No, I said people should try to engage positively and look for opportunities, you said that would be letting "them" away with shitty decisions. I took that to mean that you think people should not look for positive opportunities and instead just moan and not try to make it work.

Campaigning and voting for an alternative doesn't mean that you can't also engage with what has been decided to benefit you if you can.

Some people prefer just to moan that they can't do x instead of trying to give y a go.

I have yet to have anybody anywhere show me or explain to me a positive result / side effect of brexit.

If someone can show me something I can positively engage with I'm happy to try. Got anything? What is it you want me to make the best of?

Some people like a moan because the Tories are inept to the point of criminality and far too many people sit back and say we just need to make the best of it.

Well I have no idea what you do, I wasn't directing the need to look positively at you in particular but you seem to be taking it personally. If you believe that brexit is a shit show then scexit will presumably be a dream?

Anyway, I've no desire to spend any more of my day engaging with nicbot, so I'll leave you to it and have the nap I've promised myself.

And Scottish independence makes its first foray on this discussion. What a surprise.

@kurtrussellsbeard, the SNP have proved (AGAIN) what weasels they are by voting against the deal, after harping on endlessly how "no deal" would be disastrous (but they believed/hoped that would be the outcome).
Also, in 2014 they were quite happy to leave the EU, no ifs no buts, so I don't see what has changed. I don't really believe the SNP gives a toss about the EU, but they just take advantage of any situation to sow discord (does anyone remember the £500 gift?).
Lastly, in the event of an independent Scotland it would be quite disingenuous to hasten to rejoin the EU (assuming it is possible, which in the short/medium term is not, or indeed assuming the EU proves interested in having Scotland in their midst as they may not like splinter states) as you would want to see how it plays out. In the long term it may benefit Scotland to be outside the EU or it may not. We just don't know. I would have preferred the UK had stayed put, but nevertheless I am quite ready to give this new situation a shot.

In conclusion, I wonder if the SNP trolls get paid for their contributions or they just do it out of the goodness of their heart because true believers.

I don't think we'll really know for quite a long time.

My work had to relocate a significant part of our business to Amsterdam, making 80 local people redundant.

DH's work is struggling to meet client deadlines as it relies on transit of lots of different parts through various EU countries; they've made 3 people redundant from a small company already.

We're looking into getting passports for another EU country as I want my kids to have the option to study and work abroad.

I hope the next decade will see us rethink this.

Yes, the SNP are a far better alternative with no fuck ups, criminal behaviour and the thoughts of making Scotland better for all. And you can only be a tory or for independence...

@WaxOnFeckOff oh I apologise I thought you meant me because you were talking to me and if you didn't mean me, or people like me, then who did you mean? Who exactly do you want to make the best of it?

I think actually you just like to throw out wee insults but actually have nothing of substance to say. It's a pretty good get out for you to be fair and I've seen it work for you many times. Of you pop.