Effects of Brexit deal on Scotland

[Justpassingtime1]

Assuming it all goes ahead what are the likely impacts on Scotland?

I agree that the only way forward for Scotland now, as far as I can see, is Scottish independence. We need to make our own decisions. Scotland's voice has been roundly ignored, our interests have been trampled on, for too long, please let this be the last straw.

Maybe the Scottish parliament should busy itself with the many things it has a remit on.

Ah, you have obviously noted that Scotland has no health service, educational establishments or police. Thought that had slipped by you.

@Arkadia

Maybe the Scottish parliament should busy itself with the many things it has a remit on. But heavens forbid it actually does something useful instead of yapping endlessly, but that wouldn't fit the SNP's narrative as all our ills (including the self imposed ones) must be deposited on Boris's doorstep.

@Arkadia, I'm sure you have really valid points to make but your constant belittling of the SNP whilst seeming to forgive Johnson of any part of this just loses me. When people start with the in jokes about wee nippy/ yapping endlessly/ etc etc I just cant be arsed with them. It loses the argument before its started as it's just a straightforward slagging, not a debate.

I'm wondering if posters who dont want independence realise that lots of us want independence but not necessarily with the SNP in charge? I like sturgeon but dont like all the snp policies. Its not all or nothing.

I'm wondering if posters who dont want independence realise that lots of us want independence but not necessarily with the SNP in charge? I like sturgeon but dont like all the snp policies. Its not all or nothing.

Exactly.

Scotland would finally get the opportunity to have the government it chooses, not the one chosen by England. Why on earth would any Scot not want that for our country?

Of course people realise you don't have to vote snp in an independent Scotland, but why would I want Scottish Labour to have 20 percent less to spend? The whole credo of Labour politics is transfers from richer to poorer areas.

@ssd, it is not my fault if the Scottish Parliament does... what does it do exactly? Not much, does it, just like the SG... what does it do? Does it even exist?
If anything it says a lot on devolution and its failures. It seems that the SP is either a glorified council chamber, as it was in the pre-SNP years, or an echo chamber for nats. Both are pretty useless and a total waste of MY money.
I just wish education worked better, not worse, and that is solely the SG's responsibility, but, hey, who cares.
It is not I who deflect. I know what the SG is in charge of, and what the UKG is in charge of. The Scottish Parliament voting on Brexit is posturing and a waste o tax payers money, but, hey, who cares. We could have Shetland council refuse assent on some legislation the SNP wants to put through...

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder and what if an independent Scotland voted for Ross as Prime Minister, while England voted for Kier Starmer? Stranger things have happened around the globe of late. Governments come and go and sometime area X votes for that government, other times it doesn't.
So, by that reasoning, should we get an independent Orkney, Shetland, Borders, Morey, etc because they vote differently from Glasgow or the central belt? Councils voting against independence should be allowed to stay in instead of being dragged out of the UK against they will?

Pretty sure the SG does exist. 🤣

I'm sorry you don't agree with devolution. I for one am so glad we are a devolved nation and I hope that 2021 is the year we really take that one step further.

Christ Arcadia if you dont know what the Scottish parliament does why are you even on here?!?

Because Scotland is a country and Orkney is not

@Arkadia I'm a wee bit baffled about your idea that education isn't working. Last time I looked 40% of adults in this country -Scotland were educated to a tertiary level- pretty much the highest in Western Europe. The attainment gap is at least being addressed but the saddest fact about this is that its poverty related and not much devolution can address. Education isn't all about kids getting 5 highers and going to uni- although that's important. You would be surprised at the number of people who left school in s5, worked and did modules through college and distance learning and now have degree level qualifications. We just don't hear about them.

The French President just said the UK has left the EU because of lies and false promises.

I am sure it could say the same after Scexit.

@Arkadia

I am sure it could say the same after Scexit.

Are you really? Impressive. Tom Cruise dat you?

I've asked for the pic to be deleted actually to bring it back to the discussion but it shows what the UK's become. A complete and utter laughing stock.

@Arkadia

I am sure it could say the same after Scexit.

You realise it's a French publication? I feel they would be applauding us.

@Outsidemum1

The French President just said the UK has left the EU because of lies and false promises.

As have been proven. And nobody really seemed to care.

This is what I genuinely can't process. The lies were proven but truly nobody has been held accountable. How does that work?

@kurtrussellsbeard

This is what I genuinely can't process. The lies were proven but truly nobody has been held accountable. How does that work?

Possibly because the media seems to be in the governments back pocket.

@kurtrussellsbeard

This is what I genuinely can't process. The lies were proven but truly nobody has been held accountable. How does that work?

I don't know but it's one of the reasons I want an independent Scotland. Not because I think Scotland is a bastion of honesty and integrity, but because my vote would count here. I honestly can't believe that in the 21st century we're still dealing with this lack of representation in our 'democracy'.

Yes. Also, for me, the fact the UK Ministers appeared to have gone somewhere on holiday with no wi fi for most of the pandemic.

So, by that reasoning, should we get an independent Orkney, Shetland, Borders, Morey, etc because they vote differently from Glasgow or the central belt? Councils voting against independence should be allowed to stay in instead of being dragged out of the UK against they will?
@Arkadia

Aren't we talking about distinct countries who are in a political union with each other? Are you having a different conversation with someone else and referred to me by mistake?

You've listed cities and regions within the same country. Who is talking about cities and regions becoming independent of their respective countries?

Are you suggesting that Glasgow becomes like the Vatican City? That would certainly be interesting.

As far as I understand, the cities and regions vote for their choice of representatives to send to their parliament to put forward their particular issues. Is that what you're getting confused about?

In the case of Scotland, it's a system which allows for many voices and is designed to prevent the 'winner takes all' scenario that we see in England. It's a good system. It works.

@Chocolatedeficitdisorder, well, if I remember correctly, Orkney and Shetland joined Scotland in the 1450s. The union of the crowns happened in 1603, while the union of the parliaments in 1712 (don't quote me, I haven't checked the dates), so same ballpark. So why shouldn't Shetland and Orkney be allowed to secede? Does it only work one way? Only because Glasgow is heavier, it has to "drag against their will" other parts of today's Scotland? Very likely people in the borders feel more akin Yorkshire than the Highlands or Moray.
Should they be sequestered against their will? Shouldn't they have a say?
The same original sin that you accuse England of (i.e. the fact that it is too big and with too many people) is likely to be committed by the greater Glasgow area towards Scotland as it contains about 1/5 of the whole population.
Say yes wins by some margin, but in the borders they vote overwhelmingly "no", what then? Tough luck? In what way are you then better than the evil UK government?

@Arkadia, you are just sounding ridiculous now.