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Morning all.

@NotAnActualSheep not tried the deep fried brie - when they are next open I may give it a go. Tried to get a table for lunch today but it's fully booked - do you think people are trying to get selfies in the same spot - how childish that's what we were going to do. Instead we're off to Charwood which is much better on a Thursday evening when they used to do their two steaks and a bottle of wine for £30 - I wonder how many months before that is available to us ?

@Dinnafashyersel sorry to hear that you know of some of these deaths personally.
That's my point, when we hear about a COVID death the more fervent posters always say " underlying conditions " as if these were some other people distant from the rest of us "normal healthy people " when that's not true as you say. We shouldn't be othering people or putting some down as expendable.

Assuming the science of his suggestion is correct then I'd say this makes sense - 4% drop in effectiveness vs vaccinating twice the number of people?

That's not how efficacy works. It is not that it works 4% less in everyone. It is that it doesn't work at all in 4% but a 2nd dose might improve the chances of it working in that 4%. Given the skew in mortality and the general decrease in vaccine response with age it is very likely that the 4% this applies to is concentrated in the oldest highest risk population. Do you all really believe Tony Blair knows better how to design the most efficient vaccine delivery strategy than the combined brains and day to day experience of PHE and NHS .

I'm not sure why you think that's not what I meant....

Agree ikswobel

Some die hard Nats on twitter accusing the Scum (I agree with that point) of hiring a photographer to go to a funeral. FFS, a member of the public took the photo and sold it. Anything for Saint Nic (and I don't mean Santa)

Sorry Statistically assumed your post implied 90 year olds were being prioritised at the expense of others. All the healthcare workers I know about (NHS and care sector) have already had one dose so I don't think this is the case.

My understanding is that the limitations on roll out are about logistics rather than vaccine availability (there is enough for 2 doses for 20m and 2nd doses won't start being done for another 2 weeks).

Anyone watching fmq's? Who is that with the red jacket behind FM?

Just to give context to the constant Covid only narrative. Week 51 stats just updated. Following the downward trend of last 4 weeks Excess Deaths were 10 above the 5 year average (last week was 40 and 4 weeks ago was 227).

Total deaths for the week of 1,282 recorded. 203 were Covid related. Deaths at home continued an above average by 72 with only 8 of these Covid related. Deaths in hospitals and care homes were both below average. Therefore total excess deaths for the week were more than accounted for by non-Covid excess deaths at Home.

Not sure tinsel, Tory member.
Oh my FM was quite contrite even subdued until Rennie mentioned the word Independence. Off she went mask fell off.

Weird juxtaposition of MSPs sitting in Holyrood unmasked debating the merits of conversing in a socially distanced manner in other indoor social settings without masks.

I didn't think we had that many yet. We've ordered them, but we don't have them in hand. That's the issue - we've ordered 40million doses but I think we have received more like a million

Grovee 💐 hope your Dad's funeral went as well as it could under current difficult circumstances.

Morning, new thread already!

[quote ikswobel]@NotAnActualSheep pretty sure lots of funerals now are "no dark colours " so I wouldn't go by that.
Please could people give up on the "underlying conditions " comments. Underlying conditions = we can write them off.
Andrew Slorance had developed lymphoma but he was also extremely fit, cyclist, marathons etc. He was also responsible for setting up the Resilience unit in the government which was pretty key to the whole emergency planning response to the pandemic. A very vital member of society.
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Re funeral dress code, yes, but in that case it'd be a bit rude of NS to turn up wearing a black suit, albeit with edging!

I agree on the underlying conditions and it is truly sad about Andrew S but I don't think anyone is using that phrase as shorthand for saying "well, they would have died anyway". Just that the conditions can make covid more serious than an "average" person that age without the condition. That applies whether or not someone knows they have the condition, and indeed, they may never have known about it, let alone have it kill them. Doesn't make it any less tragic, though, I totally agree.

Groovee

For my tuppence worth I think single dose for twice as many is a great idea (although as the approval has been for 2 doses I suppose it would be using off label) - get 182/200 protected rather than 95/200 in the same time frame. (& I know vax will be less effective in the elderly population but we rely on flu vax that can have a 40% efficacy some years)

I can’t get myself wound up over NS taking her mask off - she annoys the hell out of me but still meh, I’m busy rolling my eyes at my assumption that she can’t resist stopping to chat for votes though

[quote rookiemere]@NotAnActualSheep not tried the deep fried brie - when they are next open I may give it a go. Tried to get a table for lunch today but it's fully booked - do you think people are trying to get selfies in the same spot - how childish that's what we were going to do. Instead we're off to Charwood which is much better on a Thursday evening when they used to do their two steaks and a bottle of wine for £30 - I wonder how many months before that is available to us ?[/quote]
It's often really full. We went during "eat out to help out" and had to try about 3 dates before they could find us space... Glad they're still getting custom! On the other hand, I've never been to Charwood and now, looking at their website, think I should, and its not that much further. Wine or no wine.

@NotAnActualSheep people do trot out "underlying conditions" as a shorthand for "expendable" on MN quite often.
It's good that the pub is still busy, we were in there almost exactly a year ago and got trapped in a performance/ disco / karaoke night which was extremely weird and you had to walk through it to get to the toilet!!

OK, sorry, I hadn't seen that but I try not to spend too much time on coronavirus threads because I can feel my blood pressure rising a lot of the time (she says, posting on a thread about coronavirus...)

I can believe that about the karaoke. Also, I think those toilets are currently joint third on my list of the worst toilets I have been to in Edinburgh.

I don't think Tony Blair came up with this idea himself either - his institute has a think tank and they hired in vaccine expertise.

I don't think nearly enough questions have been asked or answered about the vaccine roll out as I said, we've just gotten past the wahooo vaccine stage and now we should all be wondering if they have really done everything possible especially given the new constraints on our freedoms.

@NotAnActualSheep they are... Also trying to remember the slightly odd notices in the toilet there

And two months as we've said, is a long time if you're in free of your life from the new covid strain.

I've never seen anyone saying underlying conditions are expendable, but I never read the main covid threads either.

@anon444877 I have lost hours of my life there if you think it gets polarised on here sometimes it's worse there

Ive wondered in a few times and been able to comprehend the level of the debate - a reason I don't frequent them then! Similarly I try and stay off Twitter comments or Facebook political posts from friends as you end up despairing.

Still not understanding why TB proposal is attractive. Honestly trying to understand as opposed to being deliberately obtuse.

We have a limited albeit regular and ramping up supply. We have limited delivery capability due to logistics (one limitation at the start was an instance of an outbreak of Covid among staff at one of the vaccination centres). We are rolling out vaccines as soon as they arrive and still refining the process to improve efficiency. They may have authorised lots of non routine vaccine staff in England but whether they will be used is a different matter. Atm enhanced safety protocols are in place (it is a new vaccine with a novel storage and delivery system. The side effect level is relatively high even aside from the allergy risk they picked up on day 1 -US CDC tracking at 3% notifiable events). Assume they are also controlling the process so they can monitor effectiveness rather than just vaxxing and crossing their fingers.

No-one is currently getting a 2nd dose in preference to someone getting a 1st so whether people should only have 1st is a bit of a non-issue. If Oxford vax comes on stream this is a different discussion but then supplies are not constrained in the same way in any case.

Really does smack of political pot stirring by TB and co.

I’ve never saw it polarised on here thankfully, or I would have called it out as it’s not on. Life’s to short to lose some of it on a COVID thread. -:)

Will miss out village restaurant until we’re in tier 2 (god knows when that will be) they also do a lovely meal for 2 with a bottle of wine £30.