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Morning all.

Surely once the elderly are vaccinated we can get out?

So sorry, here was my question:

Can I ask a Scottish question on behalf of a relative?
My clueless younger relative with school aged DCs has been to an EU country (they have a house there) for several months and was due to fly and quarantine at an elderly relative's house in England on the 24th, but that has now changed to the 8th.
Their flights are still to England but there are no trains to Scotland that night.
Elderly relative says "oh they can stay with us for the night" and I'm talking FIRMLY to elderly relative.
I assume that the regulations allow for a one night stay in a hotel and travel back to their home in Scotland but I can't find this as an exemption to travel.
Does England have to keep them? I really hope not!

Once the oxford vaccine is approved SG should be using every route possible to dispense- even if that means paying pharmacies to do it - quicker we get this out, quicker we get some relief from this horrible world we are currently in.

The list of people approved to do it is basically anyone with any medical knowhow, inc people you wouldn't normally think of, veterinary nurses, podiatrists, dental nurses, England have also trained 20,000 hunky firefighters!

Not sure if NS has done the same.

Frankly looking at the vaccine groups I reckon we need to get the first 5 groups done to see any real freedoms back, which is why they need to shift more focus onto throwing everything at the rollout.

I don't see why we aren't doing people in groups 1-4/5 concurrently to get a higher percentage of those groups done faster (I don't know that we aren't).

I'd love these plans to be published more widely and see more experts commenting on what could speed the vaccine roll out.

It might give us some hope rather than all the depressing you cannots/you must nots/you are bad etc.

I don't see why we aren't doing people in groups 1-4/5 concurrently to get a higher percentage of those groups done faster (I don't know that we aren't).

Its probably down to the availability and manufacturing of the actual vaccine. We really need the Oxford one approved. The UK ordered 30m Phizer and 100m Oxford plus others. But remember people need 2 doses.

@groovee my sympathies. My dad died last week but funeral isnt until Jan 4th so am sure there will be further restrictions on numbers by then. Hope today goes ok.

I'm not sure what we know for certain about the vaccine roll out, except that it's critical to us getting any freedoms at all back.

@dementedma so sorry to hear that.

@drspouse I think they need to stay in England and isolate there. They could infect others on the journey (if they have covid)

I am a Nicola fan so disappointing news this morning, but she was hardly intentionally flaunting her maskless face.
I don't think she should resign for this any more than Boris should for his ridiculous photo shoot with Ursula VDL.
What is pretty repulsive is that someone at the FUNERAL took a photo and sent it to the Sun. That's a photo of some bereaved relatives speaking to the first minister who is there as a close friend and former boss of the person who died.
What would you do if you were NS and some grieving relatives said "Thanks for coming we really appreciate this" would you just whip your mask on in case you were caught out?
How disrespectful is the person who took this photo.. why would anyone do this at a funeral?

They could employ the SG’s own specially produced guidance on telling people to get a mask on, of course?

@WouldBeGood of course they could.
The man that died caught covid while he was being treated for lymphoma and never recovered.
Someone was at that funeral waiting to catch NS out.
For the 20 seconds she stood up from the table and spoke as she was about to leave/ put a mask on.
When people do disgusting things like that it devalues any sensible discussion or arguments and just makes everyone hate each other.
You don't have to agree with NS but you don't have to stalk a funeral to get some questionable dirt on her either.

@ikswobel I'm not a NS fan, but I certainly don't believe this is resigning territory. Hopefully it's a salutary reminder to her that we're all actually human and most of us are trying our best, but the rules are tricky to follow.

I don't share the horror for taking a photo at a funeral. The SG has stripped all of personal privacy's from us to the extent of dictating how people should use our toilet in our home if they come inside, therefore personal privacy as a concept doesn't really exist any more so what should the instigator of these rules be exempt? And to be fair to NS she didn't attempt to use this excuse.

I'm sorry to read of pp funerals on this thread, a bit of cross posting there.
Any more horrible things, I'm building a pillow den and hiding under it

@rookiemere I know NS was totally upfront.
It's not the taking of the photo... it's the intent to be ready to catch her out and then sell to the Sun. I think they must have been hoping to see her hug the family or similar? So low.

[quote Iwillneverbesatisfied]@drspouse I think they need to stay in England and isolate there. They could infect others on the journey (if they have covid)[/quote]
Do they have to stay beyond the 10 days quarantine though?
They are feckless and always claim poverty for everything so there is no way they will stay in a hotel for 10 days so I'm worried my elderly relative will give in and put them up.

Thank you everyone.

@dementedma I truly hope you still manage with the current restrictions. We are a large family so there are lots being left out. It's literally my mum, his siblings, my siblings and our children. That's leaving out his cousins who he was best pals with all his life, and other close family members.

Sorry for your loss too demented

I am most certainly not a NS fan, but I agree it is not a resigning matter.
(her high horse may be a little bit lower this next few days tho?)

@52andblue would like to see them all wearing masks in parliament when they are not speaking.

You don't think the media and the crisis has been whipping up hatred all year? I do. I can't get excited about NS, she's hardly MF, but that's why I don't think making things illegal was a good idea.

@drspouse I would share your worries re elderly being imposed upon.

I thought you were allowed to travel all the way back to isolate in Scotland - I think they need to chase down proper advice.

This would drive me crazy, they've done something stupid and now they want to make someone vulnerable pay for it...

Thanks @anon444877 it is indeed madness inducing. They told my elderly relative that "they'd be really low risk as they'd wear masks on the plane" hence further demonstrating their woeful risk assessment.

I've found this
www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-health-checks-at-borders/
It says that the same rules apply if you land elsewhere in the UK (i.e. quarantine for 10 days) and you can break your journey.
I will send this to the elderly relative (the younger one won't listen) but I'll have to break it down as I fear they will not really grasp it
I'd like to see this elderly relative again and they are weeks away from getting the vaccine!

@drspouse masks on a plane indeed! I'm glad you're protecting your elderly relative from these people.

That's what I'd read too.

The at a funeral thing doesn’t wash with me. Yes it was a private funeral but my house is private too and we all can’t do what we want in our own houses. If she wouldn’t have tweeted a few months ago that anyone who risks the public health message needs to go then she needs to follow her own advice . She has undermined FACTS and now it will be well it’s ok for Nicola to say sorry and all is forgiven. When it wasn’t ok for anyone else.