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New thread!

Morning all.

@Groovee

Morning. My dad's funeral today. Then hopefully I can make some time for me.

Sorry for your loss

It was a high profile funeral which the press were very likely to be showing an interest in - I don't think they were stalking her to catch her out. Youngish civil servant with a Covid death label was how it was presented last night. That is already politicising a private death. Had already assumed he had an underlying condition. Would have been good if this had been highlighted in the news rather than reading about it here. (had consciously chosen not to dig around)

I was told about 2 suicides and 2 terminal cancer diagnosis in personal friends this week. Would be an improvement if these private matters were being treated with any respect and cognisance, not to mention the inhumane restrictions on private grieving and farewells we are all dealing with.

I don’t think anyone can say they’ve not inadvertently broken a rule somewhere in the past year, I think she needs to fully acknowledge her fuck up (which she’s doing by all accounts) and move on. I’m not a fan by any means but I can’t see how the uncertainty of a leadership contest will add anything to the current shit show.

Why does she get to move on after breaking her own rules but not anyone else.

It’s not the same as you or me breaking rules we are not elected politicians who are running a country .

@Jellycatspyjamas

I don’t think anyone can say they’ve not inadvertently broken a rule somewhere in the past year, I think she needs to fully acknowledge her fuck up (which she’s doing by all accounts) and move on. I’m not a fan by any means but I can’t see how the uncertainty of a leadership contest will add anything to the current shit show.

That's why putting stuff into law rather than mere guidance is a stupid move. She's making everyone criminals.

Who can honestly say they've never been less than 2m apart from everyone. Is masks indoors law or guidance?

Thanks for the new thread tinseltits (just realised you've festivised your name!)

Hope today goes OK groovee. for you, and also demented

Have to say I had a shiver of schadenfroid over the NS mask thing (and yes, it's a fab pub rookiemere. And a sufficiently easy and pleasant walk for a Sunday lunchtime that you feel you've done some exercise to merit the deep fried brie. Can't wait to go back!). Not resigning material imo, but at least she can see that it is so easy to not follow all the rules 100% of the time and not a sign of weakness, carelessness or deliberate flouting. Though the pub is really not shy with its yellow and black hazard tape on the floor and instructions to wear a mask whenever you're up walking around, so at least she can't blame them for not reminding her.

Also, I don't think agentcooper's version of FACTS from the last thread was given the credit it deserves!

drspouse I don't think they should stay with your elderly relative. Hotels will be open for travellers who can't complete their journey (airport hotels at least) and they can journey up north the next day. Obviously it would be better if they didn't have to use a train, but not everyone has a crystal ball or the means of travelling by another means, so as long as they are careful with masks and distancing it should be fine. They're not Margaret Ferrier level CFs as they have no reason to expect they are infectious, and probably the sooner they are home to properly quarantine the better... If they caught it on the plane they likely wouldn't be infectious the day after, though they could be after 2-3 days if they stayed down south.

I doubt the people eating are actually funeral attendees because firstly there are restrictions on attendee numbers (and NS isn't a family member so she could have said 'no'). Secondly, I know my local has a restaurant area and a function area and you can still eat in the restaurant whilst there's a wake in the next room. I know the wake in my local has had more attendees than it should though so that's another question the media should be asking - how many attended the wake? How big a gathering was it? It could be more of a rule breach than forgetting her mask.

I think the real problem Sturgeon has is the SNP reaction to previous incidents. if your uncompromising on every other position then you look like a hypocrite when the shoe is on your foot

@rookiemere

I am starting to wonder now with the vaccine as well if we'll (hopefully) soon have the bizarre scenario of the over 80s all out enjoying life coz vaccinated, while the rest of us continue to live our demi lives at home.

Feel so sorry for all the elderly group and CEV ones off all ages, many will be so looking forward to be out without fear.

Won’t be long I hope for us all, this year has been so horrible, now we have various vaccines coming I’m beginning to feel my glass is back to half full.

It seems those people were indeed not at the funeral.

The Dentist is explaining for her

Kudos to AgentCooper for a more appropriate version of FACTS. I hadn't noticed it until sheep pointed it out!

@Jellycatspyjamas, absolutely. The issue is, where do you draw the line? You have been dictating how people should live their lives (and who and when and how people should use your bathroom), and now you have been caught short. Agree, the incident is laughable, but when do you say that X is fine, but Y is not? If you say there is zero tolerance, yada yada yada, what does it actually mean?
Clearly she shouldn't resign (FOR THIS), if anything because her successor is just as likely to be caught short. Perhaps she could revisit the whole approach. Perhaps that's where the problem lies, in micromanaging every aspect of our lives.

I agree Iwillnever. It doesn't look like the pensioners were dressed for a funeral (I know dress codes are variable, but I'd expect "older Edinburgh ladies" to be wearing something dark coloured... Look at me and my blatent ageism). I think she was going to the loo (outside the separate "private function area" using my extensive insider knowledge of the layout of the pub) and was recognised and stopped for a bit of a chat... not to support grieving relatives. Not that that makes it better or worse, but I think the fact it was a wake isn't necessarily the mitigating factor it could be. Tier 3 does allow food until 6pm, so the fact there were 2 ladies eating together with NO BOOZE isn't wrong. Nor would NS having a brief chat with them be. But her not wearing a mask when inside in a public place and not sitting down eating/ drinking is contrary to the law. Which shows how silly the law is when it's so easy and natural to not follow it.

@Peppafrig

I think the real problem Sturgeon has is the SNP reaction to previous incidents. if your uncompromising on every other position then you look like a hypocrite when the shoe is on your foot

Yes, fair point. Though at some point every public figure will have been photographed doing something silly and we'll be back to square one!

I agree not resignation conduct, but very stupid to do this in a public place. Her St Nic halo will slip a little.

If only she will stay off the TV daily, give us updates as required one twice a week or whatever.
Travel tabby shows our numbers and a great info site.
It seems some days it’s a PPB for the SNP whereby other parties don’t have the same airtime.

@Coquohvan I agree with that.

If she stopped the daily litany of doom and Rules then I’d be happy!

Good to hear positive figures too, cheers.

@NotAnActualSheep pretty sure lots of funerals now are "no dark colours " so I wouldn't go by that.
Please could people give up on the "underlying conditions " comments. Underlying conditions = we can write them off.
Andrew Slorance had developed lymphoma but he was also extremely fit, cyclist, marathons etc. He was also responsible for setting up the Resilience unit in the government which was pretty key to the whole emergency planning response to the pandemic. A very vital member of society.

I'm tempted to watch the briefing today to see what her chat is.

Underlying conditions are important to know as the narrative of young people without them dying is fuelling excess fear: people are needlessly terrified that they will die if they catch Covid.

It takes nothing away from the sadness of a death because it’s acknowledged that there were underlying conditions.

@WouldBeGood the thing about most underlying conditions is you're not born with them. You find out you have them at some point. Mainly if you get ill.
They don't always happen to someone else and it's not fear mongering to let people know this.

Please could people give up on the "underlying conditions " comments. Underlying conditions = we can write them off

Not at all they are written off, that’s absurd if you think that.
There has been many cases reported where patients have recovered from COVID with underlying conditions.

What we are hearing is that should, you sadly get COVID and have underlying conditions, which they are many, you MAY suffer more severe symptoms require acute hospital treatment and sadly some may not survive. JVT said this very recently.

@anon444877

So yes, the idea can't have merit because of who proposed it.

I sympathise with the WMD and people not liking him but frankly no public health ideas should be off the table for discussion by the right experts at this stage of the very long and awful game.

I know we are all scared and the last thing we perhaps want to entertain is ideas from our least favourite people.

Assuming the science of his suggestion is correct then I'd say this makes sense - 4% drop in effectiveness vs vaccinating twice the number of people? I'll take the extra vaccinations please, especially when supply is dripping through - this wouldn't be a case of reducing protection in a 90 year old so a healthy 20 year old could have it, it would be more like small reduction for the 90 year old so an 80 year old/70 year old with cancer/care home staff member could have it.

So sorry for those that have had losses

ikswobel every year teenagers drop down dead from training induced heart attacks due to undiagnosed pre-existing conditions. I know of some personally. Are you proposing we should ban all sport on a precautionary basis?

Over 57,000 people die in Scotland every year. The 5,000 or so Covid deaths need to be viewed within this wider context if the general public is ever to regain perspective. All deaths require equal respect no matter the cause or the person surely?