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[Bikingbear]

As a carry on from the last thread

Both definitely problems. You'd need to recruit here, in England and Ireland and abroad. Possibly take the chance to get Polish/Arabic/Urdu teachers into school. We have at least 5 mums who were teachers in their home countries but don't have equivalent standing here.

New schools, particularly special schools, would have to be built.

@Iwillneverbesatisfied good news

To those saying primary schools being shut doesn't matter - yes it does. Social contact with peers is so important at this age, plus setting the foundations for learning. The early years is so important in determining outcomes in later life. Kids have lost so much this year, school provides a sense of normality in an increasingly bizarre world. And yes, streaming does need to kick in ...

George Foulkes
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Just had confirmation that the Coronavirus 2020 Act does not give powers to @scotgov to close the Scottish/English border, as we see also with N. Ireland/GB, but I do support @NicolaSturgeon's advice to avoid any such journeys unless they are necessary.

For anyone not aware this is Lord Foulkes so I would take that as official that crossing the border is NOT illegal.

@Dinnafashyersel, To me primary is just a glorified kindergarten so what happens there doesn't really matter. Formal education (hopefully) starts at S2 (and very likely the attainment gap will already be huge and ungulfable (is that even a word?). From what I hear S1 is the catch-up time, so probably those most affected kids are the current S1's because potentially missing on the catching up session.
Last year's lot would have got most of it, so they might get by.

@Dinnafashyersel, she should say "stay local". Who cares if you stray into England and vice versa, but God forbid she misses an opportunity to stoke division.

All we know is we'll be on teams for the inservice day. But no indication of what is to happen from the 6th. Only indication is a flow chart saying both parents must be a keyworker with no family help. Erm well that is most of our school due to it being next to army barracks.

@makingitupaswegoon, absolutely, but so do scouts, sports, church groups and whatever activity your children enjoy. Not being able to socialise is clearly VERY bad (but who cares, as long as you protect the NHS), but that is not the same as saying that your future school years will be affected.

Arkadia get back to me when you have spent a decade educating at post graduate level, have 2 DC out the other end of school and 20 years community involvement at Mums and Toddlers right through primary school volunteering and all the way to secondary school careers progression events.

I am perfectly capable of educating my DC. However societal education takes a functioning education system.

@Dinnafashyersel, huh? Don't get your point.

Sorry don't mean to flex all over the joint but please think very carefully before implying that it is perfectly OK to disregard the education system in this way. If parents could do the job why would we need teachers.
Certainly would save a fair chunk of Council Tax.

I think good primary education is incredibly important

@Dinnafashyersel, well, is primary school education or child-care? In my opinion (and in my very limited experience) the latter with a sprinkle of the former.
Take my youngest, currently p5, if it wasn't for her age she could have easily skipped to S1 as I have seen what is required in P6/7. So if she misses 18 months of school it wouldn't really matter as she would be not be at a disadvantage in S1.
Granted, not every child is the same, but it is true that my primary puts so much emphasis on health and well being that everything else is secondary.
In my youngest's class there is a child is near illiterate (seen her with my own eyes and I am NOT kidding), but she will go onto secondary all the same when the time comes. If the school hasn't managed to connect with her up until now, I doubt it will in the next 18 months.
Would I want my child to be out of school? Certainly not because 1) we wouldn't know what to do with her and 2) being with her friends is certainly beneficial, but that is... childcare ;)

I think i am going to not comment.........

Probably best that way.

But let's just say I have 2 kids in primary and they have so enriched, not only educationally but socially, emotionally etc by being there.

And I want to say to all Primary School Teachers thankyou for making such a difference and developing my little sponges.

Anyway.... no one really thinks repeating year will happen, do they..?

I'd like to say no, on the grounds of being logistically impossible... but if we've all learned anything this year that only means it's likely to be announced 2 days before returning in August.

Arkadia Sorry I don't agree that primary isn't important its possibly more important than High School. If the foundations of reading, writing and arithmetic aren't there it becoming impossible for children to succeed in high school or go on to uni.

Primary is also important on a social level. There is evidence that 7 year olds were hardest hit in the first lockdown. Which has to be down to difficult to teach online and they need face to face time with peers as they don't do small talk don't know what to say to each other over the phone.

@Bikingbear, I agree on point 2 and in theory on point 1 too. However, in my experience, reading, writing and counting are taught at such basic level that you can catch up very very easily.
True example: in the other P7 they are doing divisions using pebbles (seen it on twitter). In my (seemingly more advanced) P7 they are doing 1/2=2/4 (again using Lego and such like).
They are supposed to go to secondary like the day after tomorrow...
If my kids miss school I am never afraid they will fall behind, but that they will get bored (and why wouldn't they?)

I meant to add that neither the school nor the teachers are at fault as they follow the guidelines from high up. They were recently awarded an "excellent" after the inspection, so my primary school is a fine examples of how primary schools should work.

Looks like tier full lockdown is approaching

I'm not worried about the academic side of primary school. DC is apparently "exceeding" in "First standard" whatever that means in reading and writing and "exceeding" in "early" for the other two. I'm confident I could find/pay for resources so that she can succeed academically without school indefinitely.

However she really really needs the social side of school, sports clubs and informal interactions with peers (rather than 3 years younger sibling). Listening is a tough skill to learn without experience in a group...

Do you think they will allow outdoor public meet ups with one person still if they tighten the restrictions even further.

If she takes that away again then I’m done. That’s only thing keeping me from sinking right now.

@runningpink I think they will allow that.

If they don’t, do it anyway.

@runningpink

Do you think they will allow outdoor public meet ups with one person still if they tighten the restrictions even further.

If she takes that away again then I’m done. That’s only thing keeping me from sinking right now.

I think they will keep this as its been shown to really help mental health it's even on the sodding scottish govt adverts as a way of protecting your mental health.

They will probably say within local area.
I am in a huge local authority I can drive nearly 2 hours in most directions and still be in it! But I think they will limit to 5/10 miles again

I would but the friend I will be meeting won’t as she can’t risk breaking the rules due to her business which I completely understand.

Stricter rules than England and still she wants to make it harder for us. 🥲