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Tiery Weary & Crackers!

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 00:12

As a carry on from the last thread

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iquitelikenormalityafterall · 17/12/2020 10:31

Tiery weary here too. Also be ignoring the news next week and trying to feel Christmassy!!!

NotAnActualSheep · 17/12/2020 10:32

@JamesMoriarty

If lockdown/tier 4 is inevitable then I really hope they hold off until January. Immediately after Christmas is too depressing.
Yes. I'm not sure what the psychology is, though. If there is definitely a post Christmas level 4, I can't see people reining it in over the 5 day period as much as if there were a chance to avoid it by being "good". I think it will be announced some tine between Christmas and Hogmanay. The bastards.
hilbil21 · 17/12/2020 10:36

@runningpink I think there must be another review on Tuesday because she said on Tuesday past that here in Argyll and Bute we would move to level 1 if our numbers were still low. Just in time for everything to be shut over Christmas and a massive country wide level 4 the week after probably GrinHmm

Bytheloch · 17/12/2020 11:06

It just turns me into the sweary Nan from the Catherine Tate show.

Xmas Grin
Bytheloch · 17/12/2020 11:06

Bold fail. I am weary.

polarisation · 17/12/2020 11:47

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55346113

I just don't understand any of it any more. How long have we been out of T4 now? 7 days? But the "tide is rising" and everything's going to shit again... but don't we need 2 weeks to see the full impact and if cases are rising right now then something about T4 didn't bloody work then did it????

Really fed up of this now. I feel like I've said that before but I guess we're plumbing the depths of how fed up one can be Confused

WouldBeGood · 17/12/2020 11:48

Weary but going to try to be less crabbit.

runningpink · 17/12/2020 11:59

@reprehensibleme I have friends in Peebles and there are a few cases at one of the Primary Schools with the nursery closed and one class sent home.
Also cases at the health centre.

Also the BGH cases which seem to be increasing each day.

Think I heard maybe Jedburgh as well.

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 11:59

Oh that rolling the paper sounds and pulling it into a tube sounds a good way to do it and it's not going to be pricey, although I'd roll round the pringles tubes. And yes individual packs avoiding shared bowls, I see a plan coming together. I was also thinking small bags of nuts.
My family are planning on visiting on Christmas day so I think it would be good for a giggle, (and hopefully settle my sister's fears).

I thought about the tubes out the inside of rolls of paper but thought they'd be too narrow to fill. I never thought about the weight of a length of pipe. So that's bombed out, no to mention not particularly environmentally friendly.

I do think they will lockdown straight after Christmas so enjoy while we can. But then again hospitals in England are emptier than they were this time last year. Emm!

I imagine it's a mix of less flu going round with social distancing and some of the most vulnerable have already been taken out with covid.

One of the most cruel and verging on evil things I've heard about covid and self isolating is kids who moved into Children's Homes in England were self isolated for a fortnight to avoid spread. Please tell me that hasn't happened in Scotland?

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WaxOnFeckOff · 17/12/2020 12:00

@polarisation

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-55346113

I just don't understand any of it any more. How long have we been out of T4 now? 7 days? But the "tide is rising" and everything's going to shit again... but don't we need 2 weeks to see the full impact and if cases are rising right now then something about T4 didn't bloody work then did it????

Really fed up of this now. I feel like I've said that before but I guess we're plumbing the depths of how fed up one can be Confused

I'm not buying any of this to be honest, "deteriorating situation"? What exactly is that as as far I can see, hospital admissions down, icu low and steady and has been same for months, r number below one, death rates dropping - and all that on the backdrop of figures that aren't what they are made out to be.

I'm not even getting into the positive cases shite but even those have overall dropped, you can't do anything really with % of tests which are positive as the base data is shite, the test doesn't do what it's made out to do and numbers can be manipulated based on who you are testing.

It's winter, sadly people die from all sorts, a lot of respiratory illness. Covid is more endemic in the population so the percentage of any group of people who might test positive regardless of whether they are ill from covid or infectious will be high. It doesn't mean that any more folk are dying from Covid. In the meantime cancer diagnostic delays continue and THIS together with mental health/suicides and other failures to diagnose will knock covid deaths into a cocked hat.

I'm done, absolutely done.

iquitelikenormalityafterall · 17/12/2020 12:03

I just wonder how long it is before everyone cottons on that closing down society continuously is having no impact?! So why are we bothering.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/12/2020 12:05

@iquitelikenormalityafterall

I just wonder how long it is before everyone cottons on that closing down society continuously is having no impact?! So why are we bothering.
Judging by the comments from folk on FB to every covid story, a long long time.

I actually despair of my fellow human beings.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/12/2020 12:07

Seems that any attempt to try to push people's eyes open a crack is met with those trying being branded as loony conspiracy theorist granny killers. No in between apparently.

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 12:16

In the meantime cancer diagnostic delays continue and THIS together with mental health/suicides and other failures to diagnose will knock covid deaths into a cocked hat.

When this is done, that's what's going to come out of it, the numbers dying of covid vs the numbers from suicide and cancer.
And the ages of those involved.

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Dinnafashyersel · 17/12/2020 12:17

All of what you just said wax. You make at least me feel better whenever you remind me I am not alone in how I am reading it.

Gavin Williamson already about to confirm delay to English schools going back so assume Swinney will follow suit. Actually would make sense for secondary since he has already cancelled exams and could use time to properly sort "alternative assessments" better.

Dinnafashyersel · 17/12/2020 12:20

I think a lot of people are now on the fence. However it will be a very bitter pill to swallow how misguided the whole approach has been and how little questioning of it there was. That makes people a lot slower to change their mind - also sunk cost fallacy of "if only we give it one last push".

anon444877 · 17/12/2020 12:27

I'd bet this will look with hindsight like McCarthy era levels of hyperbole re covid. We'll see. There aren't reds under every bed but apparently there is covid.

Whenever I'm feeling down I remember that the main thing is the vaccine roll out - regardless of its ability to protect the percentages most at risk, it's the main thing that will encourage politicians to move on from this phase of lockdown, a few freedoms, lockdown again etc.

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/12/2020 12:30

People need to be free to make their own choices, For some people that will be shielding/protecting the vulnerable in their circle, that is absolutely fine and their choice. I'm not trying to say people are stupid to do that. But for those who are not in that position, with or without vaccines, at this point the more non vulnerable that catch it the better.

You'll still get the tragic stories on the news of the small numbers of people not in vulnerable categories that catch it and are very ill and that is obviously very sad. But you can say that for any illness really, living isn't without risk and it's a mistake to try to do that imo, the more risks you avoid, the narrower people's lives become and the less worth living. Risks that can be eliminated with little impact should of course continue to be mitigated.

runningpink · 17/12/2020 12:55

I am feeling like I have pretty much followed the rules for 9 months but to no benefit to myself or the people around me. We are no better off. So what actually is the point.

We would all be just as well to have large gatherings etc as the outcome will be the same regardless and we will be back in lockdown.

Iv said this before and it’s still true that it’s like two kids in a class have misbehaved but the whole class gets detention and tough luck.

rookiemere · 17/12/2020 12:57

So update today, not recommended to go to Tier 3 places in England for Christmas. Well too late, we're going unless it's actually made illegal.

Maybe we're being selfish and stupid, but dammit we planned it as soon as the previous announcements were made and we're so looking forward to seeing SIL and family. But most of the joy has now been sucked from it now in common with all other 2020 excursions.

Not particularly blaming SG for this flip flopping- BG has been worse in that respect and we all knew from the minute the agreement was made that SG was desperate to get out of it.

I just feel so sad, like it's wrong to actually look forward to anything anymore.

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 13:07

I just feel so sad, like it's wrong to actually look forward to anything anymore.

That's it exactly. It's all just sucking to joy out of life. People terrified to see family.
I know of two older people relying on other old people for support as they're own families see to much risk in being near.
Seriously what is the world coming to? And I can't decide if I'm unset or angry about the treatment of traumatised children in the care system. Why is that only coming out now, half way down an article about kids and schools and not headline news?

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NotAnActualSheep · 17/12/2020 13:35

@Bikingbear

I just feel so sad, like it's wrong to actually look forward to anything anymore.

That's it exactly. It's all just sucking to joy out of life. People terrified to see family.
I know of two older people relying on other old people for support as they're own families see to much risk in being near.
Seriously what is the world coming to? And I can't decide if I'm unset or angry about the treatment of traumatised children in the care system. Why is that only coming out now, half way down an article about kids and schools and not headline news?

I totally agree. Now, if we stick with our plans of seeing one other household, there's always the niggling doubt that we're going against public health advice, and we'll be on edge about distancing, windows and everything. And if we don't, we'll be stuck at home having scrabbled together some unplanned food, being miserable because there's fuck all to do and no one to talk to (I do actually like DH and DS, but the novelty of spending time with them playing games and watching telly and maybe going for a bracing walk in our neighbourhood has worn pretty thin over the past year...).

And yes, there's so much behaviour that you think would have been borderline neglectful/ abusive last year that is suddenly fine, cos Covid... and it doesn't even merit notice any more Sad. And what is worse, is there are people condoning it and saying "well, yes, obviously...of course it could be much worse if they spread covid". Angry

DH and I were just saying over lunch that all the level 4/ lockdowns seem to have been an utterly ineffective measure. What is the point, if as soon as they are lifted, we're back to doom and gloom? There was some respite over the summer except for viewers in scotland because of the better weather, but the more recent ones seem to have had no lasting effect at all. Of course stopping people seeing each other will minimise spread at the time, but that can't be a long term solution. Worldwide it seems to be that the only way to cut down cases is to be an island in the middle of nowhere and close borders for an indefinite time. I'd contribute to a crowd funder to tow the UK to the south Pacific and hunker down there for a bit if anyone's up for it?

WaxOnFeckOff · 17/12/2020 14:23

I'd chip in for the tow.

See they've had to admit that the drugs deaths are indefensible? Some honestly for once, really mustn't have been any rock to hide under.

Dinnafashyersel · 17/12/2020 14:43

Not sure I really want to swap Covid for earthquakes and tsunamis though. (I have friends in Christchurch so do wonder why Covid is such a preoccupation for New Zealanders - their kids spend 90% of the time outdoors normally)

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 14:55

And yes, there's so much behaviour that you think would have been borderline neglectful/ abusive last year that is suddenly fine, cos Covid... and it doesn't even merit notice any more.

I know, I was told to SI with my healthy 3yo who loves Daddy more than me. I can't imagine how that would have panned out, other than constant tantrums for him, frustrating for me and DH getting no work done.

I just can't imagine how kids have coped especially those in childrens homes.

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