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Tiery Weary & Crackers!

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Bikingbear · 17/12/2020 00:12

As a carry on from the last thread

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AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 20/12/2020 10:13

@sweetkitty I read it as keyworker/vulnerable
Kids can return on the 4th or whatever day was originally planned, it’s the 6th where I am

NotAnActualSheep · 20/12/2020 10:16

I'm so, so angry this morning. I'd hoped I'd feel better!

So we're told for weeks that Christmas mixing was only for those who really needed it. Those who's mental health would suffer. Those with caring responsibilities needing a break, those who couldn't get through without seeing their families. And then in one fell swoop, that is changed. Now you're only allowed to mix if you have your own transport, live within easy travelling distance of wherever you're going and don't work on Christmas day. Fuck the rest of you. We didn't mean that about mental health being important or anything.

And once the stressful, joyless Christmas is over, you get 3 weeks of level 4, regardless of where you live (which will be extended at whim...), because we think you're going to spread this super-spready version of the virus, that has the same mild impacts on the vast, vast majority of the population, while we vaccinate the most vulnerable. And which has been in Kent since September and is only now becoming a problem, so maybe not that super-spready at all. (Actually, I wonder if the news a couple of weeks ago about the "March" strain being virtually eradicated in Scotland by lockdown, but then new strains being introduced from Spain and England was actually being "promoted" because the SG was predicting something like this. So lockdown doesn't eradicate all the virus, but can eradicate certain strains... It just happens that the strain we want eradicated only pops up as a problem in Christmas week...).

And to make things even better, we're going to close schools to children for a fortnight (albeit with work provided for a week, possibly) so all you non-key workers who could potentially work from home can forget about being able to do that. And your children can forget about prelims, or socialisation with their peers. And just in case you make the mistake of considering teachers to be babysitters and schools childcare, we're going to close actual paid for childcare too, so you really can't work from home. Of course, some children will be allowed in school, and the teachers will have to teach them as well as providing work for the rest, so we think that'll work really well for everyone. Oh, and apparently engaged parents who recognise the importance of face to face schooling will be able to advocate for their children to have a place due to adverse effects on the DCs mental health. But those who cant "play the system" as well won't, or will see sending their child on a "vulnerable" place may not play well with social services or their neighbours. So children who really need the places won't be able to take them and will be forgotten, again. Wonder how well online learning will work in the communities of govanhill.

I'm on the verge of rejoining Us For Them, frankly. That's how mad I'm feeling...

Fuck me, that's long.

icanboogieboogiewoogie · 20/12/2020 10:19

I just don't understand why childminders not nurseries. Surely ratios are similar but nurseries have more space, etc. Very few people I know use childminders.

Bikingbear · 20/12/2020 10:21

[quote JamesMoriarty]@Bikingbear I'm not, sorry. My point is I disagree with keyworker status and it should be the same for all children with something in place for vulnerable children. It's just a hypothetical situation obviously, it doesn't matter.[/quote]
We are missing each others pointsSmile

I'd agree all children deserve education. I don't think there was much education in hubs before. It was more childcare than education.

Blended learning would be better than nothing for children but it wouldn't work for society without hubs (we need binmen and food) Who runs and where are hubs located? It would involve a cost.

If they close the schools it pushes the issues onto parents but if they go for blended they'd still need hubs.

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AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 20/12/2020 10:21

@NotAnActualSheep yep feeling exactly the same this morning, I’m furious. How can she claim my area is low enough to have moved to level 1 yet now being plunged to level 4?

Direwolfwrangler · 20/12/2020 10:23

Just popping in to agree with much that has already been said. Totally baffled by the decision re nurseries and looking forward to seeing some justification. And after weeks of insisting schools are safe too, a sudden change.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 20/12/2020 10:24

@Bikingbear when my DC were at the hubs there was no teaching going on just childcare. If blended learning had gone ahead 2 of my DC were going to be in at the start of the week and the other at the end, I would have needed someone to have them every day of the week it’s not a sustainable plan. There was talks of hubs continuing for key workers had blended learning gone ahead but no clue as to where these would be or who would be manning them

Bytheloch · 20/12/2020 10:24

@NotAnActualSheep all seconded, even re Us For Them Xmas Grin

Bikingbear · 20/12/2020 10:26

And after weeks of insisting schools are safe too, a sudden change.

Could it be an admittance that schools aren't as safe as they made out?

They know how quickly it spread round Uni students. Why would kids only a couple of years younger be much different?

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Shorternights · 20/12/2020 10:27

Notanactualsheep 👏🏼

Bytheloch · 20/12/2020 10:27

@WaxOnFeckOff feel like your council stats were buried in amongst the fury yesterday. Please can you pop up again. So important for everyone to see where we actually stand in the scheme of things.

JamesMoriarty · 20/12/2020 10:27

Emailed my MSP with concerns. Don't think it'll achieve anything but oh well. Had to do something.

AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii · 20/12/2020 10:28

@Bikingbear not all schools are equal though, none of my DC schools have had any cases since their return in august

Shorternights · 20/12/2020 10:28

I also found myself looking at Us for Them this morning.... must be bad 😂

Bikingbear · 20/12/2020 10:29

[quote AlaskaThunderfuckHiiiiiiiii]@Bikingbear when my DC were at the hubs there was no teaching going on just childcare. If blended learning had gone ahead 2 of my DC were going to be in at the start of the week and the other at the end, I would have needed someone to have them every day of the week it’s not a sustainable plan. There was talks of hubs continuing for key workers had blended learning gone ahead but no clue as to where these would be or who would be manning them[/quote]
I agree blended learning was never going to work.
I feel sorry for the teachers who spent hours working out how to do it and split schools. And then try to ensure siblings were in the same days. And coordinate with nurseries.

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littlbrowndog · 20/12/2020 10:30

So furious yesterday. Couldn’t post

Now nurseries to be closed.

Everything closed.

FUCK

Jellycatspyjamas · 20/12/2020 10:30

Yeah, HTs normally decide who's vulnerable and if you're both needing to work outwith the home, they should deem that you need a place in school. I would try speaking to them next week as that's when people will be contacted/ decisions made/lists of compressed classes made (I imagine!).

Utter nonsense, I’m a key worker my DH isn’t but needs to work outside the home. No school places available to my two kids so we were left to juggle - as were many of my colleagues. The aim is to keep numbers us school as low as possible which was reinforced by head teachers and local authorities- if we could all simply make a case for our child to be at school the school would be operating normally.

NotAnActualSheep · 20/12/2020 10:31

Blended learning would be better than nothing for children but it wouldn't work for society without hubs (we need binmen and food) Who runs and where are hubs located? It would involve a cost.

This is true. I did wonder how they were proposing managing that. I thought they would choose to use childcare professionals to manage the hubs (eg after school clubs or similar) - but yes, it would be expensive, as it would be harsh to make parents pay for "wraparound care" when it's wrapping around when the children should be in school!

It seems the new model is that some children have 100% time in school and some children have 0% time in school. Because then, on average (assuming you only consider the mean...), every child gets some time in school! Well done "education is our top priority" SNP.

Bytheloch · 20/12/2020 10:32

Yep, no cases here in our school either- not even when we were in dirtyT4. Not saying there hasn’t been any elsewhere or not appreciating the nightmare it has been for others. Just saying, if it wasn’t high in your community, your school wasn’t impacted either. No allowances have been made for any community ‘behaviour’ so far and certainly not from BoxingDay.

GoldenOmber · 20/12/2020 10:32

@Shorternights

I also found myself looking at Us for Them this morning.... must be bad 😂
Oh God, I’m getting tempted myself. These are truly dark times.
StatisticallyChallenged · 20/12/2020 10:32

@FourSeasonsTotalLandscaping

This is the last straw for me and has brought me to tears. I did six months with my now four year old at home whilst my husband and I worked from home (him full time and me almost full time) earlier this year. All in one room together all day every day. It was so so bad for all of our mental health. I can't do it again. I just can't.
This is fucking ridiculous, and totally in contradiction to the Tier 4 guidelines. We were just about to email parents saying we'd still provide care after school which would at least give folk a break.

Just fucking great.

DollyMixtureLulus · 20/12/2020 10:34

In my LA, the additional hubs were to be staffed by the active schools team and other sports employees, I think.

I was in the hubs during the original lockdown and it was really just childcare. We had too many children at too many different levels (and we joined up with a few neighbouring schools too, so didn’t know many of the kids) for anything else.

My school has been really hit by classes having to SI this term. My class have been off the last two weeks. I’m just hoping we get through one more week and we are back for good come the 18th.

We are already making plans for workbooks and jotters. We’ll get as many sent out tomorrow and Tuesday and we’ll be handing them out in the playground on Monday 11th too. I am sure this will be the case for other schools too.

anon444877 · 20/12/2020 10:34

I'm not jealous much of the quality of education that'll be delivered for key workers, and a lot of those need asc too as they don't do 6 hours a day either.

I'm surprised I can't help out desperate friends re: informal childcare, it's really such a blow when you know you've got friends that are really struggling. I hope they think on.

Sweetpotatoaddict · 20/12/2020 10:34

We live in an area that has seen some of the highest rates, my ds attends a primary with 500 odd pupils. We had one case.
Have the Scottish government been accurately data gathering with regards to schools and outbreaks? I would like to see the data.

NotAnActualSheep · 20/12/2020 10:35

[quote Bytheloch]@NotAnActualSheep all seconded, even re Us For Them Xmas Grin[/quote]
We could start a breakaway group of angry parents who aren't full on conspiracy theorists...