Tiery Weary & Crackers!

[Bikingbear]

As a carry on from the last thread

Us For Them are still loopy. Don't worry.

I totally agree with a pp though, saying that there's no way they're putting online learning in place for a week. I honestly think they're hoping to keep us in lockdown till the majority of the (vulnerable, hopefully) population are vaccinated.

My DC love nursery and I've been loving getting out of the house to go to work every day. I feel it acts as a buffer against the fear of the virus. I think my mental health will really struggle if we're in full, indefinite lockdown.

There can be no reason for primary schools and nurseries being shut

@Bikingbear

And after weeks of insisting schools are safe too, a sudden change.

Could it be an admittance that schools aren't as safe as they made out?

They know how quickly it spread round Uni students. Why would kids only a couple of years younger be much different?

True, but I think it's a sliding scale leading up to that... And uni students now don't seem to be affected any more than other age groups. It was just that they were all sent together to live in dense, multi household accommodation, mixing with other people in the same living situation that it spread so quickly. In any case, nursery and primary children really do seem less affected (depending on what's going on in their community), so there's a bit of sledgehammer - nut stuff happening by closing everything... Given schools have been open, children have had waaaaay more close contacts than the rest of the population, so you'd expect really high levels if they were as badly affected as adults.

I totally agree with a pp though, saying that there's no way they're putting online learning in place for a week.

I really disagree, —although I can be a bit over optimistic—. This is so sudden. Surely, surely, surely, the government wouldn’t be as daft or completely blinkered to throw us all back into online learning again. They know there’s no appetite for it. Nothing is ‘in place’ either, no national guidance, no extra resources, nothing.

My dad in his late eighties, very frail is now left alone for Christmas, no food in as he’d planned to be away, no slots for grocery deliveries now. I’d had some booked but cancelled them on Friday.

He was due to be in an extended household with other elderly relatives, but they’ve dumped him as they’ve been frightened by Nicola. Well bloody done.

Actualsheep I totally agree, i don't think its spreading in primary or nursery.
But I'm not convinced by secondaries, what's the difference between 16, 17 year olds and 18, 19 year olds. Even watching the kids wandering round going to and from school, no social distancing. I suspect they my be very mild or asymptomatic but..

Nursery has two cases in different rooms at the same time, not sure if they were linked but no further cares.

@DollyMixtureLulus

I totally agree with a pp though, saying that there's no way they're putting online learning in place for a week.

I really disagree, —although I can be a bit over optimistic—. This is so sudden. Surely, surely, surely, the government wouldn’t be as daft or completely blinkered to throw us all back into online learning again. They know there’s no appetite for it. Nothing is ‘in place’ either, no national guidance, no extra resources, nothing.

I want to think this but I spent a long time over spring/summer thinking “oh SURELY they’ll realise this is totally impossible and unworkable? Surely?” and when it came to children and schools and working parents they just didn’t at all until the big blow-up over ‘blended learning’. And now we’re not even getting that.

This is all a great distraction from Brexit, call me cynical but🤔

Look at the timings of it, for example. Just as people are planning to make the best of a bad year with family, then this hits us like a bomb. Deflection.

I could perhaps see why Boris might want brexit diversion, but why would Nicola double down?

Yes, and will keep Kent a little quieter

@wouldbegood that's shocking. Have you tried Iceland, deliveroo and Amazon?

WouldbeGood
That's so sad. Hes not the only elderly person being dumped. I know of one who's DIL is refusing to see her on Christmas Day. (3rd hand info so might be other issues but still)

@Bikingbear The spread is definitely more prevalent in secondaries but it can spread in primaries & nurseries. Local nursery class had to shut down as spread amongst staff & children and my friend's class all had to isolate as there were several cases amongst the children in that class. The difficulty, particularly in primary, is working out if it's spread through class contact or contact in the community as many are different laying together outside of school etc

blowinahoolie if that were the case why would Nicola be playing along?

Agree with pps. I don't see how they get schools back now they have closed them again. I largely ignored on-line learning last time - it was the run up to the Summer hols and even secondaries were in exam diet rather than learning mode. However the reality is that DC will now miss a whole academic year - they were only just catching up and battling constant disruption.

@anon444877

I could perhaps see why Boris might want brexit diversion, but why would Nicola double down?

So people don't think Scotland breaking from England would be difficult. When actually it will be 10x harder.

We broke up on Friday, so chance of getting anything ready for whatever we're meant to be doing on the 5th. To me, it reads like keyworkers' and vulnerable children will be in from then, with online learning for all from the 11th. If that's the case, what are the kids in from the 5th going to be doing? If their pals are on an extended holiday till the 11th, they're not going to want to do schoolwork.
Are teachers considered keyworkers? We have a few who have kids at our school so they wouldn't be able to come into school if not.

Totally baffled

@WouldBeGood any local butchers that might deliver too? Lots more places are doing deliveries. Can you find a local Facebook site and put an appeal out for your dad? Terrible x

We were just about to email parents saying we'd still provide care after school which would at least give folk a break.

It is just shit statistically. As I mentioned a while back, DH is a trustee for our school after school club... They would normally run a holiday club for the day or two in January before schools opened. We were assuming they'd just be able to extend that until at least the 11th, and possibly til the 18th, depending on how "online learning" is supposed to work... whether parents could cover it with children in an hour or so rather than a full school day? They'd at least have maybe half a day where the children could be entertained and they could work... Of course the staff would be fine with that as they'd be able to work more hours than usual if they wanted, so more pay. But no, today, in a tweet (ffs) that idea was scuppered, so everyone will have to be furloughed again. So the government is paying (some of) the wages of people not to work looking after children, while people who want their children looking after so they can do whatever useful, tax- raising thing it is that they do, can't. Surely there's a simple way around this!!?

@Bikingbear I'd have thought the virus has shown the absolute interconnectedness of the UK, but alas I suspect others feel somehow exactly it's the opposite and Scotland just needs a wall.

I've got a stress headache just thinking of how home schooling is going to work. Was easier the last time as dh was shielding but he's back at work now. He is also a key worker and works shifts so there's a bit of scope. I'm also a key worker (NHS) but can't work from home - going into work kept me sane during the last lock down.
Dd will be OK, she's in 3rd year but is struggling a bit with physics so online learning will be fun. Ds is in 1st year at an asn high school which will be closed - due to his medical needs he won't be able to attend a hub as they don't offer asn hubs. He's already stressed out about covid and is v anxious about it so the next few weeks/months will be challenging.
Only thing that will get me through it is Aldi online wine which is delivered within a few days

@Bikingbear

Actualsheep I totally agree, i don't think its spreading in primary or nursery. But I'm not convinced by secondaries, what's the difference between 16, 17 year olds and 18, 19 year olds. Even watching the kids wandering round going to and from school, no social distancing. I suspect they my be very mild or asymptomatic but..

Nursery has two cases in different rooms at the same time, not sure if they were linked but no further cares.

Yep the research for young children shows they are unlikely to spread it onto adults

My sons nursery bubble had a case we isolated for 2 weeks not one member of staff or another child caught it.

I think the research is why Scotland doesn't count under 12s in the meet rules. It is one aspect that is definitely right as my brother has 4 kids so hasn't been able to see anyone else as a family throughout whereas up here they could of.

I’ll try Iceland. He can’t really cook as too frail. He's quite, ahem, difficult, so I need to handle carefully.

Prof Linda Bauld "the scientific community hasn't had the chance to see or scrutinise the information "

Everyone who's struggling please know that there are many thoughtful people who are horrified on your behalf. My heartfelt sympathy and best wishes to everyone who's struggling through these horrifically difficult times.

Does something like gusto or hello fresh deliver in his area @WouldBeGood ?