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Tiers Of A Clown

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Bytheloch · 08/12/2020 16:46

Thread #3456

Released from our dirty T4, but still bamboozled. Let’s keep each other sane on here...

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Bikingbear · 13/12/2020 23:50

I'd love to do this but I'm worried they might actually check addresses on the booking form?

That's my fear too and then you'd be too late to get a refund and you then have to face the tears from the back seat.

Bikingbear · 13/12/2020 23:55

SNP vs the RN, its ludicrous beyond words. Why doesn't Queen Nic just invite the Russians in for tea and job done?

I've just read elsewhere the Greenwich schools are closing tomorrow, 4 days early.

randomsabreuse · 13/12/2020 23:56

We're members so they have the address. Not been told not to come yet. Might see what Tuesday holds then take a view.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 14/12/2020 00:59

I actually think you might be better off as members as their system will just check you in rather than having to fill out a form that will show your address (at least that was our experience of a different membership used while it was terribly terribly disappointing but not illegal to travel Wink)

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 14/12/2020 01:00

I don’t think I explained that well Confused I mean that as members your address is held in their membership database but won’t connect to your membership card on the day.

MissEliza · 14/12/2020 07:08

Omg I've just what Humza has said about the Royal Navy. They will literally go against the U.K. government on any issue won't they? It's so childish. Humza is a nasty piece of work.

Rae36 · 14/12/2020 08:52

I quite like Devi, I think her advice has been pretty measured throughout. If she's now also saying mixing is a bad idea that makes me think twice. But we'll probably still go anyway, considering my mum just out of T4 is off to work in her charity shop today. I would much rather she stayed at home.

WouldBeGood · 14/12/2020 09:05

@Rae36 I think it was when she advised us to “make her own sunshine” that it tipped me over 😂

Arkadia · 14/12/2020 10:10

Just to show how well I am following things, I have just discovered that in Scotland we have "levels", not "tiers/tears"

Rae36 · 14/12/2020 10:26

@Arkadia

Just to show how well I am following things, I have just discovered that in Scotland we have "levels", not "tiers/tears"
We do? Well I never knew that either.
WaxOnFeckOff · 14/12/2020 10:29

Leaked paper re the Edinburgh decision

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/13/leaked-paper-shows-nicola-sturgeon-advised-put-edinburgh-tier/

RaspberryCoulis · 14/12/2020 10:34

Another leak.

Quelle surprise.

RaspberryCoulis · 14/12/2020 10:36

@Rae36

I quite like Devi, I think her advice has been pretty measured throughout. If she's now also saying mixing is a bad idea that makes me think twice. But we'll probably still go anyway, considering my mum just out of T4 is off to work in her charity shop today. I would much rather she stayed at home.
Haven't you heard the radio/tv ad with matey Jason? "Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD"? Hmm
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Bytheloch · 14/12/2020 10:36

Sorry, but I don’t agree re Devi or others advice. Back in March, absolutely- what the flipping heck are we dealing with here, etc. Happy to abide by guidance whilst they tried to get their house in order. Now? I think it’s important to remember that much of the government (UK and SG) messages are about future liability. If they keep saying don’t do something and you do it anyway, you won’t be able to blame them or say they gave you the wrong advise. It's exactly why they had a joint proposal for Christmas. They are counting on a high percentage of the population thinking for themselves and using common sense, making their own risk assessment.

December 2019, I had a cracking virus, told it was a virus by GP- in and out in less than 5 minutes. Adapted my routine by not going into the office, arranged for DC to be taken to school. I was as grown up then as I am now. I’m lucky, I have good general health, a roof over my family’s head, I’m employed (for the time being). Why aren’t more resources, effort and messsages put towards helping those who really need the support? We are supporting others as much as we can, but when will gov step up to that responsibility instead of broad brushing with the restrictions and messages?

REALLY RANTY today after hearing yet more messages from gov and once again in Scotland’s case, some willy-wanging with the Royal Navy, FFS!

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WaxOnFeckOff · 14/12/2020 10:37

And here we are nearly Tuesday again and given that numbers can go up as well as down, I wonder if there will be any token changes?

I knew it was levels rather than tiers but tiers definitely sounds better :)

WaxOnFeckOff · 14/12/2020 10:40

I can't agree more bytheloch and others. Not up to anger and rantyness today but loving the points made.

JamesMoriarty · 14/12/2020 10:43

I agree with Devi in a way, I won't be mixing at Christmas because my parents are vulnerable and I've got appointments straight after Christmas that I can't miss due to isolating/having Covid. But I suppose we should be allowed to decide for ourselves.

WaxOnFeckOff · 14/12/2020 10:50

Yes, I don't think anyone is going to force those who don't want to mix to do so but otherwise people should be able to decide. I'm not worried about mixing but that's not really our Christmas so won't be but I would have welcomed the ability to go into our usual Christmas day pub, all set up for social distancing, for one or two drinks.

NotAnActualSheep · 14/12/2020 10:55

I don't know. I miss a day (a dace?), and come back and you've littered the plaice with fish puns... Just No Need. But also, WTF with telling the Navy where they can and can't go! I mean, its not as if Scotland has any coastline or any employment depending on naval expenditure or anything...

groovee I'm so sorry Sad It is an awful thing to arrange at any time, but made even worse with all the restrictions. Hope everything goes as smoothly as it can. Flowers

And yy to the "protection levels" . Though I'm sure it was originally described by NS as a "five tier system", though that may just have been how it was reported. Its official description in the Strategic Framework is
"The five protection levels consist of four levels above the Route Map Phase 3 baseline (or 'Level 0')."
Which makes perfect sense. I think they must have used up all their "words for ranked sets of things" over the last year. Is it "priority group 1/ 2" etc for the vaccine?!

Rae36 · 14/12/2020 10:59

Haven't you heard the radio/tv ad with matey Jason? "Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD"?

No, I don't have the tv or the radio on much any more, switching all that off has definitely improved my mental health. I rely on you lot for my news and info now. I"m listening instead to a podcast about Princess Diana. It's american and the first episode where the presenters were discussing the mating rituals of the British upper classes made me laugh so much.

We have a (not very close) family connection to Jason Leitch so we all loved him at the beginning, now not so much. Now the very sound of his voice makes me want to throw things at the tv. Even my mum says she's not sending his family a Christmas card this year. Which is mean, but I don't suppose they'll notice. I wonder if he'll send one to them? I guess he's got more important things to do this year. But we could use it to light the fire.

I've always liked Devi, but maybe as time goes on she will piss me off more and more too.

Is there anyone out there right now who we think is giving sensible advice? My 14 yr old is a worrier, he's really anxious about Christmas. I wish there was someone he could listen to, something balanced to read. But everyone seems to have gone into major scare mode and that's not helpful at all to anyone.

WaxOnFeckOff · 14/12/2020 11:02

Rae, I like ivor Cummings but some is quite long and might not be your taste.

NotAnActualSheep · 14/12/2020 11:10

REALLY RANTY today after hearing yet more messages from gov and once again in Scotland’s case, some willy-wanging with the Royal Navy, FFS!

Yes. I had a day like that yesterday... Was just one story of gloom after another and was making me want to switch off and go back to bed. The whole "well you can, but you know you really shouldn't" over Christmas from all sides is doing my head in. Surely everyone appreciates it's a risk, as everything has been for the past 9 months... but at some stage surely we should be allowed to take that risk on our own backs.

I thought Devi's advice was OK right in the early days... She was fairly pro-opening-schools without blended learning assuming community spread was low and so on. Probably erring on the careful side, but from a public health person that's reasonable and understandable, as long as they are only talking about their own area of expertise. But then she switched to full on "anyone who doesn't agree with Scotland's approach is anti- Scottish" and jumped the shark a bit. Incidentally, DH works with her partner. #reallydodgyclaimtofame

WouldBeGood · 14/12/2020 11:10

@JamesMoriarty I think what annoys me is it’s once again blaming people for stuff they are specifically allowed to do.

The SG decided it was ok to allow mixing at Christmas, told people that, now guilting them about it. Horrible.

Personally I’m happy not mixing at Christmas as my family are awful but for some people it’s a massive thing

WouldBeGood · 14/12/2020 11:11

The stuff with the navy is hilarious. It seems we’re sending Police Scotland to defend our waters

Sturmundcalm · 14/12/2020 11:11

all of the advice about not mixing coming from all sorts of sources is making me twitchy - but my family not so much so it's all fun as we try to negotiate Christmas Day arrangements.

what completely turns me off though is the shite (repeated in those tweets from Devi) about "just wait a few weeks"/"sacrifice this christmas for all the christmases of the future". my mum has died since last christmas and we're 99% sure my dad has alzheimers (and has had for a while with it escalating recently) - people die for all sorts of reasons and it doesn't make it any less painful or difficult if it's not because of C-19... life is short and while i am sticking to the rules as much as possible i'm not buying that happiness awaits if we all just wait till the vaccine is rolled out.

the fact the SG aren't sticking to their own rules (strategic framework) is what is driving me mad - and making me less likely to follow the rules they then apply to all of us.