You'll have had yours tiers....

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The thing is, once they've sussed out the mood, what can they do? Extending it would cost too much, cancelling it would also backfire, so that really leaves them coming out with finer detail criteria that limits who can have it, which will be a logistical nightmare and which would cost a fortune to administrator.

They could put it in people's own hands to submit a claim with evidence knowing that some folk won't do it or don't have the evidence.

Yup, hard to backtrack once you've released a video...didn't like it being on behalf of everyone in Scotland either. Piss off, it's not on my behalf love

Yes, I'm picturing a day where snp hierarchy are trying to shove their genie back in the lamp...

My Consultant sister and BIL will get it
That’s pretty much loose change to them
Others in the family (not me ) have lost a lot of cash this year
Maybe just as well we can’t socialise over the holidays 🎄😄

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www.scotsman.com/news/politics/all-scottish-nhs-and-care-staff-get-ps500-thank-you-payment-3052684?_gl=11chqtw9_ga*YW1wLThZaVAyejJubzdScEE5OUVucEdJVGNWVEJ2eWl2ZFVjdl9fdHZ4VWRzdjluUHJpMFJvTnZVY09vYngwa3M0ZGE.

Just a thought - but based on my own family and employees I'd guess a large proportion of folk working in lower paid NHS jobs and especially those in care homes will be getting top up benefits like UC. Isn't getting an extra £500 in one month just going to be taken away from those folk via the UC system? Not all, but a fair chunk I'd guess...

If you read that article NS is begging Boris not to tax it either.

When our dc were younger and if I wasn't working then DHs salary level probably would have qualified us for benefits I think. I really don't know how the system works as luckily we've never been in a position to claim.

There was a point where DH was a stay at home dad and I was between jobs due to redundancy but we didn't claim and I had real issues with the tax man who found it hard to understand that we were neither earning or claiming.

DH didn't claim for the 4 or 5 years he was at home with the DC as that also gave him flexibility to pick up shifts from time to time without worrying about it.

The benefit system is there to help when needed, we didn't need it

Do you think the £500 will win or loose them votes?,

Back to more serious conversation, SD crackers. Supermarket was out of yards of jaffas I need a plan B, would using wrapping paper work, or the tubes out of them? Except none of the rolls I have, have solid tubes in them.

If you have a fabric shop nearby (or just a major fabric buying habit) the tubes from the middle of fabric rolls are 1.5m roughly.

What about taping together tubes of buttons? Wrapping paper tubes depending could be a bit stiff for a cracker?

Or tape kitchen towel tubes together?

You should make it a cracker piñata, so when it rips buttons etc go everywhere!

Waxon, my friend was in a similar boat, DH was a SAHD. They went to change the mortgage and the bank picked up on him not having any NI credits.
Whoever claims the child benefit, usually the mum, is entitled to NI credits if they have a child under 5. The Benefits Agency tied themselves up in knots trying to sort it out and the only way to sort it was for him to sign on. And gave a very limited category of work he could do in the 2 hours LO was at nursery.
The importance of NI credits is it affects pension rights in later life.

For it to be non taxable and excluded from UC etc would be a huge deviation from what has happened so far. Furlough, seiss, business grants etc received during this period all count as taxable income for individuals and companies. There will be a huge kickoff if HMRC exempt this. I don't see it happening

wax my dad is the same - he is self employed and he was offended and appalled when I suggested he was eligible for covid grants. He said he didn't need them to get by as he had saved for a rainy day.

If you read that article NS is begging Boris not to tax it either.

That actually got me annoyed and I hate Boris and the Tory govt.

I live in England. This is nothing but pure political games. Its what she does best and she has been doing it throughout.

I am not really against the extra £500 for NHS workers if that's what she wants to do, but she needs to budget for the full cost in its entirity. She can add extra tax to higher rate tax payers so how can she manage this.

And don't get me started on the clown Blackford and his Twitter shite.

I actually think Sturgeon is the best political leader in the UK at the moment. She is doing the same level of job as BJ, or worse, but she is a much better communicator.

Many Plpeople in Scotland don't realise that they are really not doing much better than England. They just see his bumbling.

What really worries me about my home country at the moment, is the lack of ability to question her. And everything turns to Independence.

She is running the country so she needs to be scrutinised for her record in that whether you support independence or not.

There is absolutely nothing to say that because you support independence, you have to support the SNP.

What is missing though is good opposition. Although that's the same across the UK.

Yes biking, we transferred child benefit to DH for that reason. However it kicked us in the teeth in the end as they didn't pay for DS1 for his last year, they wouldn't deal with me due to Data protection and DH wouldn't get involved.

The way to make it except from tax is to over pay, so the £500 becomes about £650, take of 20% tax and 10% NI and the person ends up with £500.

But it was big bad Boris who took it off the UC.

Overpaying would work, but the optics of effectively spending more on well paid doctors vs underpaid care staff would be very messy

Is it a stunt to make Boris look like Scrooge?

@Covidnomore ah, you’ve put it so well. You capture it all without the frothing and anger I have just now.

A tier 4 leper here can I come in?

The £500 is as my boss would say a honking idea. It’s obviously designed to piss folk off with Westminster when it fucks up their benefits. And as a local authority worker who’s watched some of team on low wages run their arses off while my nhs colleagues seem to have had plenty of time to produce policy docs, I’m pissed off for other low paid workers.

Does anyone else feel like the country is being run by the wee frees? No carol singing now?

@WouldBeGood

Is it a stunt to make Boris look like Scrooge?

Deviousness or ineptitude - it's SNP, could be either

UC taper rate is 63%...

Just thinking, wouldn't doing something like additional annual leave have been better received? Recognition that folk have worked extremely hard, need a break when it's all over, but easier to implement without the tax and benefit issues.

@RJnomore1

A tier 4 leper here can I come in?

The £500 is as my boss would say a honking idea. It’s obviously designed to piss folk off with Westminster when it fucks up their benefits. And as a local authority worker who’s watched some of team on low wages run their arses off while my nhs colleagues seem to have had plenty of time to produce policy docs, I’m pissed off for other low paid workers.

Does anyone else feel like the country is being run by the wee frees? No carol singing now?

I'm humming "have yourself a shitty little christmas" whether they like it or not

Nhs already have a decent holiday allowance but I guess council /private care staff less so. That would have been a good idea though I think. Its actually what some on private industry have been given. Anyone on disciplinary is excluded though.

@RJnomore1 waves to fellow tier4 rat