Fears For Tiers

[Bytheloch]

Thread #567 Still here, getting through each day one 2M step away at a time. November into December 2020 here we go...

Thanks very much bikingbear just having a moan and grumble.

I’m still working and still being paid and that’s more than a lot of people today

Council ward had 0 cases in last 7 days (up to 13th.
But we'll be in Level 4 from Friday, as the rate for the council is one of the highest.
We're 5 minutes walk from a council boundary in 3 directions, so the latest restrictions will be very restrictive.
I'd love to find out WHO is catching it - age, health condition - and WHERE. And are they isolating?
We've been keeping ourselves to ourselves for 9 months, I've supported and followed all the measures. How and why is it still spreading?

Why won’t they tell us?

FM. Was asked that question

Why and how and where is it spreading

Did not answer

Just waffles on. Save lives

Sacrifices.

1/3 of population showing signs of physcriate illness

Ffs.

And tomorrow the Swinneybot delivers the finer detail for schools now in T4.

T4 here. Waiting for my boss to decide whats happening with our business as we've not heard from our governing body as yet.
And my wonderful hairdresser rang to rebook me in tomorrow night, god love her.

Hi everyone. I’m a little embarrassed to say I’ve been lurking on your threads recently. It has been good to read everyone’s thoughts on what’s happening in Scotland just now.

I wondered if anyone knew what time the new travel laws came into effect on Friday? I read that the new tiers take effect at 6pm, but wondered if it was the same for these —ridiculous— laws? I’m Edinburgh so tier 3 but need to travel to a tier 2 area on Friday (essential for my family, but not defined as ‘essential’ by the SG). I also wondered if there had been any info about what would happen if these laws were broken and how travel was going to be policed?! (I’m honestly not trying or planning to break the law!)

Not sure how this travel ban is going to be enforced

Really starting to feel like we are living in a dictatorship now.

Miss visiting my folks, only doing phone calls. Have done for months now. We live in different regions of Scotland. This is a nightmare we are living in.

BlueThursday

It doesn't say when the travel ban becomes law @Shorternights on the bbc. Maybe watch the SNP updates on Twitter, I hope you get to go.

How dismal...we knew the snp had authoritarian tendencies and doesn't value freedom of choice, absolute proof provided today.

@littlbrowndog

1/3 of population showing signs of physcriate illness

Ffs.

What do you mean?

It’s getting very North Korea.

@WouldBeGood

It’s getting very North Korea.

Yip, a family friend has been calling them Communists for years, named person, higher tax bands, and once you see it you can't unsee it.

If you look at the US you see the results of not taking an authoritarian approach. It’s bloody hard because there’s a pandemic on. Nobody’s going to say the SG is doing a great job and their illogical decisions are not helping morale but they can’t do nothing. We can’t see any of our family either but it’s not the SG’s fault per se, it’s just a shite situation.

The US haven't done anything mandatory at all have they? There's a whole lot of middle ground between nothing and making travel within bits of your own corner of the world illegal.

Ah I'm so glad I found this thread!

I've surprised myself by how badly I've reacted to the announcement today, I've cried twice now and it doesn't even affect us that much. My DM and I have decided we will continue to meet, I'm a SAHM and it's the only social interaction I have pretty much. DH is a teacher so no change there and always the chance that he'll bring it home. We'd booked the Christmas Illuminations at Five Sisters Zoo for Dads birthday and I'm disproportionately devastated that basically the only thing we might have done for her this year is cancelled for this shitshow of a lockdown (obv knew it was a possibility when we booked but wanted to pretend like there was at least some hope left for this shitty year.)

Swinney says there's no evidence of spread in schools, as far as I'm concerned that's blatant doublespeak. DH had a positive case in a class, so kids sitting within 2m were sent home for 14 days. How many of them caught it? School doesn't find out (medically confidential, that's fine), but they would have got it and passed it on to their families at home, not in school. But it started in the school!! Was there research which said people with school age children are 60% more likely to get it?

My worry with the travel restrictions, other than the sickening mission creep of an already worrying government, is that they'll use ANPR cameras. I don't think the police have time for it, or the beauracracy set up for it, but we'll see if that stops them.

Was on bbc news biking

Said a 1/3 of population showing signs of psychiatric illness

There’s a big difference between dong nothing and taking random and draconian action by decree

Browndog, I could we'll believe this is really affecting MH. Its depressing not seeing people. I'm really missing day to day chat.

I'm not trying to be funny, is 'physcriate' a technical term, I've never heard it and google couldn't find it?

She’s not saying where it’s spreading because it’s the schools, isn’t it? My goddaughter has been off for ages now because her class kept getting told to isolate the minute they’re back. In all honesty I think these restrictions will have fuck all effect on the numbers because it’s clearly not spreading in gyms and the like. I don’t know anyone whose gym has had to ask people to isolate. I do have a bee in my bonnet because being able to swim again has been crucial to my mental health starting to improve, but it just infuriates me because I think these closures will be useless.

I don’t know what the answer is. I know people need the schools open so they can work. But telling folk from Glasgow they’ll be breaking the law if they drive to Irvine beach for a walk on Sunday definitely is not the answer.

According to this the positive cases are not school kids

Are Tier 2 allowed to visit other tier 2 areas or am I right in thinking that travel between any area in general is discouraged?

I know that between 2 to 3 etc will be law from Friday but not sure if same for same tier areas.

I thought tiers 0-2 were allowed to travel and between each other. I could be wrong though!

@dementedpixie it is a wonder if they are people with school age kids though. Is it spreading with no symptoms from kids to parents or is it workplaces etc?