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November Lockdown: Mibbes Aye Mibbes Naw

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BlueThursday · 31/10/2020 17:06

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icanboogieboogiewoogie · 15/11/2020 11:30

I love that fbook group. They keep posting desperate pleas to their members not to post stuff that's too crazy, but they're getting more and more unhinged by the day. I have to sit on my hands to stop myself posting but they'd chuck me out.

tigger1001 · 15/11/2020 11:31

[quote goodness17]@anon444877 and that's exactly where I stand as a secondary teacher...I want schools to remain open but with safety measures, including the use of face masks, where appropriate Smile[/quote]
That seems perfectly sensible to me.

I want the schools to stay open as far as possible as I think our kids deserve an education and think blended/online learning will fail many. But I am happy to do my part to ensure the safety of teachers etc.

I genuinely think most teachers want schools open but with safety measures,

Callisto1 · 15/11/2020 13:05

That post about only 343 excess deaths is really disgusting. I read an article about the death of a young mum and the 2 little kids left behind with their dad and that would 'only' be 1 excess death to them.

How can anyone be so horrible and thoughtless? These people are supposedly parents, can't they imagine their kids without a mum or dad? I know these are rare cases but c'mon!

ladylunchalot · 15/11/2020 13:18

I had to leave that group as I was struggling to hold my tongue. I lost a dear friend to covid in April who was only 41 and has left her 2 gorgeous kids and husband behind - it's devasted them. When I read on there that it's just a cold, it makes me think violent thoughts.

Bytheloch · 15/11/2020 13:30

I also joined that group at the start when it felt like nobody was representing the schools (both from teacher and pupil POV).
I agree it’s changed direction a little in some posts and there’s some alarming comments on some of the sub groups that spawned off it- but I think some people feel it’s their only outlet for expressing frustration or asking questions. In amoungst some of the fury there’s parents who are genuinely concerned and at least as a group they’re speaking up for the children in the media, where teachers have unions to represent their concerns, it’s tricky for parents to have the same support. So it’s probably kinder to leave everyone to it, if that particular FB group helps them.

rookiemere · 15/11/2020 13:38

Yes unfortunately Usforthem is now a rather comedic own goal rather than the general force for good it was at inception. I joined at the beginning as it seemed preposterous that blended learning for the whole academic year was the default whilst numbers where dwindling and most other sectors were reopening.

I never thought that both the British and Scottish government would go oh all right then and open everything up with no safety precautions. But then there is a handy scapegoat to blame - those nasty protesters- and it drives a useful wedge between parents and teachers.

Also I wouldn't be happy about it, but I think we have to acknowledge that if levels get to a certain rate, then school closures- for the absolute minimum period only - have to be on the table, even if only as a last resort.

At the minute it seems like full scale fiddling whilst Romes burning activity. Protesting about masks in schools - obviously appreciate some people genuinely can't wear them - when overall numbers and hospitalisations are going up, just seems counterintuitive. I'm entirely unsure if masks work or not, but if they make a small difference and make teachers feel safer, then fine whatever we need to do to keep schools open.

If there is wholesale school closure, then they're going to find it hard to get numbers like they had initially galvanised. I don't particularly want to be associated with lots of the out there nonsense, even if I am personally sceptical about some of the official numbers due to comorbidity factors and people catching covid in hospital.

They do produce useful daily graphs, although the hospitalisation and ICU one always makes me smile wryly. The numbers are growing, but optimistically it shows it peaking and going down without hitting the hospital bed limits. I do hope this is the case, but I'm not sure we can confidently predict that yet.

Lidlfix · 15/11/2020 13:43

Is it kinder to facilitate a chance for "posters to encourage "a swift punch to the throat for that teacher " , "kick her in the fanny", "threaten to ruin the jobs and careers"?

There is a post today apologising as FB is removing fake news . Seems to incite more that it soothes.

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 13:43

I agree, school closures fo have to be on the table if things get to a critical point. Let's hope we don't get there!

People need to remember there are (mostly, trolls aside) real people behind views expressed online.

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 13:45

Facebook need to do so much more. It's too busy mining and selling our data.

Callisto1 · 15/11/2020 14:09

I also agree that we should not discount school closures, but it should not be linked to tiers. I think a much better approach would be pupil and staff absences. They have the numbers so surely schools and govt could come up with a scheme that at a certain level of absence school should temporary close. It could include an advisory threshold where schools consider it and a hard cut off where it had to be done.
It would limit disruption, though I guess some would argue it was unfair on pupils who face more closures.

Scotslassie1 · 15/11/2020 14:23

It's not just Facebook though. The BBC and STV had them on when safety measures such as masks for older pupils were introduced. Inviting Jo from Facebook to speak to the nation and not a medical expert to discuss the benefits of mask wearing was pretty poor. Of course it fits the MSM agenda though.

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 14:32

The problem isn't having them on necessarily, the problem is the lack of challenge of these views in the debates that are had and moderating when people go to far and make claims that have no factual basis.

Social media is far, far worse than the bbc - even now the tags on trump's latest tweet just says the election fraud claim is 'disputed'. The bbc otoh said those claims were 'without evidence'.

It's a fine line between censorship and allowing people on but challenging them.

Scotslassie1 · 15/11/2020 14:42

Yea but they didn't have anyone on to counteract their argument that there should be no safety measures in schools.

RaspberryCoulis · 15/11/2020 14:46

Kids classes are on. Even in Glasgow/ Lanarkshire. I've been to them

SOME are on. Because of the confusing "guidance" about not leaving your council area (or is it health board area, who knows) lots of my kids' activities have been cancelled. DS goes to a theatre school in Glasgow, kids from all over the place and they have been told it's online only. DD helps at Rainbows - that's cancelled too as they have some girls from East Dunbartonshire and some from Glasgow. Her dancing however has been carrying on as all the girls are more local.

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 14:48

On one particular programme? That's lame I agree, and I've seen examples too but it's not comparable to a social media landscape where most content goes unchecked and unchallenged.

Look what lidl is saying about these pages having unmoderated comments about teachers being hurt, imperfect as the bbc and other tv can be, it's not that.

WouldBeGood · 15/11/2020 15:00

@Scotslassie1

It's not just Facebook though. The BBC and STV had them on when safety measures such as masks for older pupils were introduced. Inviting Jo from Facebook to speak to the nation and not a medical expert to discuss the benefits of mask wearing was pretty poor. Of course it fits the MSM agenda though.
I don’t think it does fit the MSM agenda: they proper love a mask
WouldBeGood · 15/11/2020 15:03

They got a hold as the SG badly mishandled tings with the “blended learning” pish. I supported them then, as did lots of my friends, as our children were suffering badly. I can’t be arsed with the conspiracy stuff in there now. But their numbers seem to be holding up well.

Anyway.. will be be put into lockdown again, we reckon?

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 15:17

The papers seem to think it's likely for western Scotland to go to tier 4...I wonder if it'll work though? We don't seem to know what's causing the persistency.

Lidlfix · 15/11/2020 15:42

What are the main differences between 3 and 4? Has felt like (pre booked and permitted wee breaks in Oct hols aside) I can do bugger all anyway. Have went for brunch once as DD4 needed treating. But was so worried about being contact traced we walked about in the ever present pissing rain to find somewhere quiet. We did and it was lovely .

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/11/2020 15:58

DH been waiting forever for his gym to open. It opens on Monday. He's prebooked a session on Saturday as a treat for his birthday. Looks like that's not going to happen if tier 4 as there will be no gym, no shops other than essentials and back to only take-away. Basically it's lock down but with small outdoor distanced meetups. In November, in Scotland.

He's already not wanting to go for a meal as it would need to be lunch or late lunch and hacked off he can't even be trusted to have a pint with his meal and if we go into 4 he can't have the meal either.

And there's a possibility they are putting travelling restrictions into law.

I could say more but trying to be good...

WaxOnFeckOff · 15/11/2020 15:59

Swinney was slightly backtracking but I think that was just to stop a rush to shops and meals this weekend.

anon444877 · 15/11/2020 16:05

If it follows England, you'll be allowed to order non essentials online and click and collect?

StatisticallyChallenged · 15/11/2020 16:06

Off the top of my head, non essential retail to close, no tourism, no non essential use of public transport, no hairdressers, possible childcare capacity limitations, not allowed informal childcare unless keyworker, gyms closed, I think most indoor children's activities like brownies etc banned. All hospitality closed fully

Lidlfix · 15/11/2020 16:13

I know I went out for food and drinks on Oct 8th. School night too what a rebel. Bloody glad I did now.