October lockdown?

[Goingdooolally]

Hi
I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related.

Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break!

Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-54434561

Schools only getting their usual October holiday

I think after the MF debacle, she must be mortified about imposing further restrictions on those without Covid, when one of her own broke the most basic restriction so recently.

Given the retweet last night from Nicola about Ireland and Jason mentioning 'mixing' it sounds to me like there may be a move to something like Ireland's level 4 with outdoor dining only, outdoor drinking only, no visitors, no events, no gatherings.

looking at her careful word choice and reading between the lines:

certain areas will get travel restrictions
certain sectors or businesses will be closed, but not the entire economy
schools stay open

Did some health guy say 9 months at least until a vaccine?

Said it could be 9 months away, but also said it might never happen.

The BBC article makes it look like travel restrictions, but only for affected areas. So I guess that means central belt. And maybe adding Lothian to the local lockdown areas. Need to check the restrictions to see if casual childcare is still ok.
They could've just announced it today. Can't see what one extra day of political wrangling will achieve...

A vaccine for a virus is difficult and unlikely to be 100% effective. Look at flu vaccines, it's usually a best guess as to which version we are going to get and how effective it is each year. I think that any vaccine will be similar and in the meantime, the more healthy people that get some measure of immunity via infection the better.

Nothing other than complete isolation will ever be completely effective (or as near as dammit) but that's not a life I want to live.

If Lothian needs tougher restrictions then fair dos, but she is still a fucking shitebag for not dealing with Glasgow sooner.

Looking at today's figures, and those over the last 7 days, Edinburgh doesn't really look very justifiable as it's sitting as Amber compared to the Red of Glasgow which has been like that consistently for weeks. So why would Edinburgh suddenly face the same increased sanctions when their figures have never been as bad and they seem to be on the way down.

I'm not in either place so no particular personal axe to grind.

The problem is as well that Lanarkshire is really big! There are loads of towns but also lots of rural areas. Hard to lump all together.

Lothian, Forth Valley, Glasgow and Lanarkshire were on the BBC News website this afternoon re main areas for outbreaks. Guessing travel restrictions will tie into these areas.

@WouldBeGood

The problem is as well that Lanarkshire is really big! There are loads of towns but also lots of rural areas. Hard to lump all together.

yes, so it was easier to lump together the whole of Scotland including areas that had had 2 cases in weeks at that point like Clackmannan.

I think the "local lockdowns" need to be local but the more local they are the more people will just do what they want anyway by pretending they are from the next village or town etc. You'd effectively need roadblocks to completely police it. But it will be the same old story of the compliant bearing the burden.

They can fuck off with the forth valley for a start. Stirling shire has very low rates.

If they do this then I will be even more angry. Leave the weedgie covid soup simmering for weeks on end and then take action on areas with low numbers - get to fuck.

I don’t think they should be locking down anywhere: there’s no justification for it, no endgame, and it doesn’t work 🤷🏻‍♀️

So would they bring in a restriction from a certain time? So if (say) I was in an area with a travel restriction being imposed and I left that area before it started, I would not have broken any rules? But could I not return home after holiday? (All hypothetical you understand!)

I'm wondering about the same "hypothetical" question, Slightlybrwnbanana. 🤔

God everyone on here is so bloody desperate to punish Glasgow. We've not had anyone in our houses or visited anyone else's houses for months. I've not seen my parents or pil for months. We've been following all the rules. A massive influx of students hasn't helped either, but do you want to stop with the bloody blame games?

@waitforitwaitforit to add to that, the student cases are entirely the fault of the universities’ senior management and the Scottish govt. They should never have been allowed to push their ‘campus is open, we want you to come here’ message.

Slightly you could return home as you'd need to come back for work so that'd be essential travel.

I would say though that my dc would not have been able to attend university well from our home as our rural broadband provision is appallingly bad, the infrastructure across Scotland is just not there yet. Also, what about students from disadvantaged backgrounds whose only means of on line access is on campus?
I think the student infection numbers are now going down. The model chosen to fund universities in Scotland has relied heavily on many different ways of sourcing money to pay wages etc and it appears that accommodation is one such revenue.
Balancing all risks, with better health outcomes for this general age range students fall into (according to the national records of Scotland no one under 30 has died from Covid-19) I’d rather folk didn’t lose their jobs and the next generation got educated. It’s not ok to pause the lives of one generation, but let everyone else get on with their lives.

Jodri you must be extremely rural to not have broadband...

@WaxOnFeckOff

They can fuck off with the forth valley for a start. Stirling shire has very low rates.

If they do this then I will be even more angry. Leave the weedgie covid soup simmering for weeks on end and then take action on areas with low numbers - get to fuck.

My part of Glasgow has very low rates too.

public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

This tool is good. Select your local authority from the top then zoom in on your map to see where the cases are. East Dunbartonshire - where I live - is a firm Orange. But if you delve deeper, it's the "red" zones in Kirkintilloch and Bishopbriggs which are dragging the whole region down. Even then, the whole thing is a bit pish as the colour coding is done on cases per 100,000, so there's a whole heap of areas with 1-4 cases all differnet colours because their populations are different. AND, because they won't specify whether it's 1 case, 2, 3 or 4 to avoid identifying individuals, that skews it totally.

Anyway. Summary - East Dun is sitting at 96.5 cases per 100,000 residents which is just over the national average of 91.5. Glasgow city has 210.5, Edinburgh 150.9.

I'd be well pissed off if I were sitting in Orkney or Shetland with ZERO cases and having to listen to Sturgeon banging on about shutting stuff down. But they don't vote SNP, do they?

@Scotslassie1 I do have broadband, but at a speed of 1.2Mbps its very very slow and likes to buffer a lot and just, not work! We’ve been in constant wrangling with BT and my area is not on the list yet for upgrade from open reach to fibre optics or whatever. I’m not miles from anywhere; rural but close to a city. Thought about satellite which a few farmers have round here but it’s very weather dependent and when it rains we can’t get a digital signal for our tv.
I have heard of really rural places have excellent broadband speeds as there are incentives to get villages and rural businesses connected.

I see, husband works for Openreach and he's all over/ works in the back of beyond but yes there's probably more incentives for that like you say.
Hope you get something sorted in the future.

And Brazenly parties tend to try and gain favour in areas they're not the winning party aka Orkney!