October lockdown?

[Goingdooolally]

Hi
I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related.

Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break!

Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

Not my usual reading material......but I guess this media leak is likely to be true?

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6126178/coronavirus-scotland-lockdown-sturgeon-circuit-breaker/

Bytheloch I agree the FM needs to take a few days off. As I work in a school I need cases to stay low so we can stay open fully as I don't want a return to blended learning.
UK wide meetings are what happens ( I think! Or are supposed to anyway) but we still need ability for autonomous decision making. For example, NI rates are going through the roof and saw the PM is saying a full lockdown will be in place soon there. Last time we were two weeks behind them... hoping not though!!
I would vote for another socialist party but just don't view today's Labour as one..

I do also think that Nicola Sturgeon referring time Margaret Ferrier as Margaret Covid is wrong, immature, in the same ilk as something Donald Trump would say, and certainly not just a slip of the tongue from someone who is good at public speaking.

Lockdown is a good deflection away from Margaret Fleming situation. I do think it’s unfair to have a national lockdown and student infections are slowing down now.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/6126178/coronavirus-scotland-lockdown-sturgeon-circuit-breaker/

Now I know it's the sun so to take it with a pinch of salt but thought I'd share anyway

Oh sorry just realise it's been shared already

God, even Devi Sridhar is saying testing is way more important than any lockdown. What are they fucking doing?

Well, looks like that’s it then, the fuckers

I wonder if lockdown will actually be 2 weeks. Or end up longer?

That's the big question isn't it @Chickenandrice . I was doing a mini fist bump as shit though it is, those dates coincide with DSs two week half term, so technically he won't miss any schooling. But who knows how long it will go on for - furlough ends in current format end of October so my guess is one more week.

Oh well at least I had the foresight to get a six by Nico booking tonight as our original 30/10 looked a bit shaky. So we'll at least have that before heading home on the covid bus.

Most lockdown measures have been at least three weeks, this one will last to Christmas no doubt.

I think it will be difficult for them to lift the lockdown measures in 2 weeks if it hasn’t made enough of a resuction in cases. But then if there is no more furlough they may have no choice

Am going to be gutted if we can't go away in a week's time for the October week
Have been working like a dog and really need a break.

The people making the decisions get paid regardless,I dont.

i have really lost confidence in the government (both of them)

I suspect another lockdown is on the way, not that it will do any good. We’ll press pause for a couple of weeks (or a few months if we have to wait for numbers to come down) then be right back to where we were with a tonne more lockdown damage on top. At least now opposition parties are trying to force some parliamentary scrutiny, and more and more experts are publicly questioning how useful lockdown is. Three eminent public health scientists have even signed a declaration stating their belief that the most humane way forward is a kind of controlled exposure of low risk people to build herd immunity (a scientific term they’re reclaiming), thus protecting more vulnerable people that way. They make a lot of sense.

Oh dear oh dear - I am still hoping the leak is wrong or to soften us up for other restrictions...I can't see at this point what will be achieved unless we are going to get permanently locked down til spring/vaccine?

Could it be the current trajectory does show the NHS or schools will be overwhelmed in 2 more weeks if we don't lock down now?

Does anyone know what is actually illegal and what is them just saying you can't do?

As in, travel was supposed to be only essential and yet obviously loads went abroad with no consequences other than having to quarantine (or not) when they came back.

I'm happy to make sensible choices as to whether to obey what they say we can't/shouldn't do but obviously don't want to do anything where they have legal powers to stop/fine etc.

There's a steep fine of you don't quarantine if required for the country you went to, which makes sense. I hadn't realised non essential travel ban was still in place post lockdown when the air corridors were announced mostly as I don't watch tv news and there are so many restrictions to keep on top of.

The air corridors seemed obviously to be allow careful tourism.

Pardon my language, but for fucks sake. Someone needs to do something to stop this utter madness.

If they'd wanted to keep the numbers down they could have not opened gyms and pools up earlier than planned when numbers were on the up and they could have not encouraged students to take up their residential places for online tuition .

It's an absolute shit show and once again we - aka general public- are paying the price.

Perhaps the only way to regain any freedom is to simply not get tested if you have symptoms. I only got DS tested so he could go back to school with a cough.

If they can show how NHS will be overwhelmed based on current trajectory, that at least would be some statistical basis for this decision.

How overwhelmed?

When we had the pandemic, we were told that there were 225/250 (?) intensive care beds set aside for Covid patients and presumably others for non covid?

Most hospitals don't even have seperate covid wards anymore.

Hospitals will be getting busier as they always do in winter, there will be more deaths as there always are in winter. We still have no clear information on those who are ill because they've caught covid rather than just people who are ill and test positive for covid and/or having covid is significantly affecting the illness/injury they are in hospital for.

anon, I'm not planning a foreign holiday but I could easily quarantine on my return. Unlike NHS staff I know personally who had a foreign holiday and were unable to do their job so had extra (paid) time off afterwards.

All i want to do is to go with my family by car, door to door, for 4 nights/3 days in the lake district in a self catering cabin. We can take our own food and go outdoor walking. No impact on anyone. If it's actually illegal then we can't, if they just say we can't and the place is open, we will be going.

Oh the other thing I forgot to mention about keeping numbers down. The Aberdeen local lockdown- whilst unpleasant for habitants - was successful in bringing the numbers down. Yet no such decisive action in Glasgow even though it was proven to work.

Same here, if the place we were going to was put on the quarantine list whilst we were away of course we could easily do that. As it is, they test you at the airport and I was planning to anyway only go out for exercise on return so quarantine isn't much of a step up.

No wonder people are wondering what's actually illegal or immoral vs political decisions that seem to hurt more than they are effective.

Doesn't seem easy to find out - I suspect that's not accidental.

What rookiemere said - we had 4 cases in hospital in Grampian yesterday, not just Aberdeen. Put a lockdown in place, but do it for Glasgow, Lanarkshire and Edinburgh, where the bulk of the numbers are.
In Aberdeen, we've had the pain of an additional lockdown, we, and our economy, can't take it again.