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Goingdooolally · 2020-10-04T12:24:27+00:00

Hi I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related. Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break! Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

Justmuddlingalong · 07/10/2020 19:01

Unless the supermarket shelves are cleared, a bottle for your room sounds like a great idea. I wonder if the pubs will be allowed to sell bottles to take away.

ActualAl · 07/10/2020 19:04

It's just so annoying. We're doing our best to follow rules, not seeing family, not meeting indoors and then this comes along, discouraged but not banned from travelling. It leaves everyone to make their own decision and I'm not totally comforted with that! DH is insisting that we go away, it's booked and paid and not forbidden. We most likely will go but I'd be more at ease if there had been a blanket yes or no from the government.

WaxOnFeckOff · 07/10/2020 19:08

@ActualAl

It's just so annoying. We're doing our best to follow rules, not seeing family, not meeting indoors and then this comes along, discouraged but not banned from travelling. It leaves everyone to make their own decision and I'm not totally comforted with that! DH is insisting that we go away, it's booked and paid and not forbidden. We most likely will go but I'd be more at ease if there had been a blanket yes or no from the government.

Not trying to be funny, but what is it that means you no longer feel able to risk assess for yourself? Have you always been like that or is it new?

Scotslassie1 · 07/10/2020 19:08

Aragon hope you're renting a nice sportscar then?

www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-evidence-paper-october-2020/ Evidence for today's decisions incase anyone's not seen it.

ActualAl · 07/10/2020 19:15

@WaxOnFeckOff I'm usually confident making decisions but don't really like going against health advice. Im a bit concerned that although we're healthy, as far as I know, we could potentially be taking the virus to another part of the country and that's not ideal! Though I suppose that could apply to any holiday anywhere anytime! Just seems more serious at the moment.

Marrvelous · 07/10/2020 19:17

Nicola said “We are not insisting that people cancel any half term breaks that they have planned”
Just rewatched the speech

WaxOnFeckOff · 07/10/2020 19:24

[quote ActualAl]@WaxOnFeckOff I'm usually confident making decisions but don't really like going against health advice. Im a bit concerned that although we're healthy, as far as I know, we could potentially be taking the virus to another part of the country and that's not ideal! Though I suppose that could apply to any holiday anywhere anytime! Just seems more serious at the moment.[/quote]
Thanks, so you've definitely been affected by what you are being told and it's not an issue you've had before.

I don't think you are alone and a lot of people have been similarly affected.

My view is that you need to maybe read or look at other sources of information and start using your own judgement again. You may still feel exactly the same, but people have been scared into a particular train of thought and I think it's that that is holding back finding a way out of the current situation.

So, not preaching at you and hope it doesn't come across like that, just aware of how well the campaign to ensure compliance was and curious to see how/why people feel that way.

I hope you go and enjoy your holiday.

WaxOnFeckOff · 07/10/2020 19:34

What the new restrictions have done is basically force compliance. They couldn't really enforce staying in your onw house very well, but they can stop you going to the pub if its not open...

So they will keep the other restrictions in place for those that were already complying and put in more where compliance is forced and then accept that others wont be complied with at all.

Unless they set up road blocks etc they can't really stop people going into different areas and indeed haven't banned it, but they've added in a bit of a guilt trip that makes you feel you are doing something wrong, takes the enjoyment out and stops you doing it again.

You'll always have the folk that don't give a shit - they know that though, they don't need everyone to obey, just enough so the numbers of positive tests come down. They will probably make a bit of testing "unavailable" if they want to achieve that to show what they are doing is working.

I hate the reference to "cases" in the document, they aren't cases, just positive tests. Also berating again people for being "naughty" and then blaming spread out from Glasgow and Edinburgh to adjoining areas for Forth Valley etc being included even though their rates are much lower. Hmm, I wonder if someone had dealt with that at the time then maybe there wouldn't have been a spread? Also lots of stuff plucked out of the air, graphs using different dates and finally, still no actual info on who is ill/dying from covid rather than with it.

AgentCooper · 07/10/2020 20:15

@RaraRachael

AgentCooper we were going to a hotel in Edinburgh for 3 nights. I suppose we could still go, but eat takeaways in our room each night

. I can't see any other way around it. My OH likes to go for a drink in the evenings so he will just have to be content with drinking in our room

@RaraRachael does your hotel have a restaurant? I’ve been speaking to DSis tonight and she’s now actually quite looking forward to taking a bottle of wine and glasses up Calton Hill (we’re not allowed to drink outside in Glasgow in public places ever so every cloud!). Loads of the restaurants will be doing amazing takeaways for dinner, I bet, Edinburgh is so good for food. Not the holiday you wanted, I know, but if you’re as shattered and fed up as DSis I reckon you should go

Rae36 · 07/10/2020 20:28

Where are you staying @RaraRachael
I'm assuming you can still get fish and chips and eat them while walking along by the sea in Portobello? That would be one nights dinner? I know it's not remotely the same but you could have nice big lunches in cafés every day?

ActualAl · 07/10/2020 21:07

@WaxOnFeckOff don't worry, you didn't come across as preachy, just interested! you're definitely right. I've always been a bit of a stickler for rules and doing what I'm told, and these have seemed very important rules to keep. You're right about the guilt aspect, it's not wanting to get in "trouble" for disobeying. I think I\we have been getting overwhelmed with all the news and info and getting a bit blind to finding out things ourselves.
After reading all the posts here I'm feeling more positive about making the decision to go and, using hygiene and common sense, having a great time away with my family! Thanks

RaraRachael · 07/10/2020 22:44

I'vd phoned the hotel and they are still open until 10 for residents although no booze. Won't bother meas I rarely drink but OH likes a few. They have a varied menu so will probably just eat there.

Justmuddlingalong · 07/10/2020 22:47

If pubs and restaurants have outdoor seating /beer garden, could you theoretically have a meal and a glass of wine between 6 and 10pm?

dementedpixie · 07/10/2020 22:50

Not if you're in the central belt

Justmuddlingalong · 07/10/2020 22:56

No, I'm not in the central belt. I seldom drink but was just pondering the ins and outs of the rules.

Ecosse · 08/10/2020 00:35

I couldn’t believe my ears when I heard the justification for this nonsense- 20% of people who’ve tested positive reported visiting a hospitality venue recently.

So they have no idea whether even a single case was caught in a bar or restaurant! I’d be surprised if around 20% of the general population hasn’t visited a bar or cafe recently.

MadameBlobby · 08/10/2020 00:47

They are appalling and lazy measures. She doesn’t give a fuck about people’s jobs does she.

user1487194234 · 08/10/2020 05:47

Justmuddlingalong discouraged but not banned. Where does it leave those that have booked*

Well it leaves us still going

If it is not illegal I am doing it

Friendsoftheearth · 08/10/2020 06:33

The timing is very interesting! Nothing to with her forgotten meeting then. The day before she assured us we were not going to have any more restrictions, the very next day - all pubs closed and hospitality etc for 16 days!

MarshaBradyo · 08/10/2020 06:34

16 days long enough to close some businesses. Not sure it’ll do much for numbers.

Friendsoftheearth · 08/10/2020 06:43

We are supposed to be going on holiday in the half term, I am not sure it is going to be much fun with everything closed!! Now rethinking the plan.

I agree some many businesses will not reopen - this is not a good development, and in my view it won't even work. Those that break the rules will continue to do so anyway, anyone wanting to drink and socialise will go to the supermarket and meet up in secret. The universities will continue to see the cases rise and rise, what is the point?!!

I no longer support lockdown measures, so perhaps I am biased.

ApolloandDaphne · 08/10/2020 07:18

I would still go if I had a holiday booked. If it is out of the Central belt then the only thing you won't be able to do is go out for dinner/drinks. If you are going with children make an adventure of it. You can still get takeaways or buy food to eat in your accommodation from supermarkets. Have big lunches out and snacks at night. You can buy a bottle of wine or take some gin. Everything else should still be open. Go and enjoy the change of scenery.

WeAllHaveWings · 08/10/2020 07:37

@Friendsoftheearth

The timing is very interesting! Nothing to with her forgotten meeting then. The day before she assured us we were not going to have any more restrictions, the very next day - all pubs closed and hospitality etc for 16 days!

The day before she assured us we were not going to have any more restrictions

This is the exact opposite of what was said in the briefing the day before? Where do you get your information from as it is misleading you.

The briefing the day before they said we were not going in to lockdown, there wouldn't be a circuit breaker lockdown and schools would not be shut, but there would be further restrictions. Ongoing/new restrictions to visiting in households/hospitality were strongly hinted at.

Nothing to with her forgotten meeting then.

Really

WouldBeGood · 08/10/2020 07:56

@Friendsoftheearth I agree with you. It’s a classic political tactic to bury dodgy news. And the previous day it was admitted her husband had sent the messages about Salmond. But the media were preoccupied. I’m not suggesting she made the decision to lockdown because of it, but there was clearly a decision made about admitting the other things.

Jodri · 08/10/2020 08:00

I live outside the central belt.
I’m sorry but I would be concerned and unhappy if people came to my area on holiday who lived in the five health board areas under stricter guidelines.
I’m sure NS said you should stay within your health board and not do essential travel. Going on holiday is not essential travel. It’s very selfish of people. Stop putting the rest of Scotland at risk of lockdown measures.