October lockdown?

[Goingdooolally]

Hi
I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related.

Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break!

Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

@Jodri sorry but not sorry then?

You don’t own your particular part of Scotland Jodi and you have no right to dictate whether people take their holidays or not. Even Nicola said they could go. Personally I think the complete and utter lack of empathy for other people’s mental health and financial health is equally as selfish. Oh and yes I have had Covid.

If I had booked a holiday and couldn't get a refund then I'm sorry, I'd still be going. Not every area under lockdown has high cases but they're all being lumped together anyway

@Jodri maybe you’re the one being selfish. Hotels/Airbnbs still need tourists as do the rest of the hospitality industry. I take it you don’t rely on the tourist pound?

When we go up north we will be spending money in local shops, eating in restaurants/cafes, going on pre arranged trips with local providers, visiting local attractions. So basically putting money into the local economy. We will be responsible and socially distance, watch our hand hygiene , wear masks etc..

Anyway, we’re not living in some Covid ridden swamp down here in the Lothians you know! The difference in cases is pretty marginal when you look at absolute numbers.

Stop being so (stereotypically) unwelcoming and parochial.

This will be the death knell for many businesses in the hospitality sector. We were planning a break in Glasgow in a couple of weeks. We don't stay in expensive hotels in cities as we like to be out and about, enjoying restaurants, bars etc. I don't fancy sitting on my bed with a bottle of wine and a picnic. That's not a holiday in my book. I'd rather stay at home. I suspect others will do the same.

I'm in a lockdown area but my town has 0 cases. The postcode in the Highlands I'm probably going to go to next week has cases. I've not been in a pub or restaurant nor had anyone in my house since March. I understand the fear Jodri , and can't say I wouldn't feel the same. Is just tricky really to balance everything I guess. Also lockdown areas are going off health board areas - they're humongous!

Also the attitude of some.. people live off tourism in the North and people from the South are doing you a favour..Hmm.

@Goingdooolally @Jodri is right. You won't be welcome by staff in highland hospitality. They will be very conflicted- who wants to feel they have to endanger their health to work? Don't believe that 💩 from tourism bosses many of them provide poorly paid insecure jobs with unsocial hours. Who wants to be a changeover cleaner in a holiday home for £50 a week?
While furlough is still here businesses should use it where they can. Lots of places have stayed shut throughout.
Entitled tourists have been a nightmare this year and while they might not bring COVID with them they certainly bring anxiety.

I'm from Edinburgh and cases were relatively low until the decision was taken to open university accommodation and the increase in cases is pretty much attributable to students (not blaming them that's just a fact).
Therefore I don't think I've got much more probability of transmitting covid as someone from lower number region. Plus I'm still allowed to travel - meant to be going to England but may change plans if they close restaurants there as well.

@Scotslassie1 - you’re putting words in my mouth there! I said nothing of the sort. Only pointed out that tourists spend money.

I live in a tourist spot outside the Central belt. I know our local businesses will welcome anyone who comes here in the October holidays. I understood though that those in the Central belt and under stricter restrictions are being asked not to travel outside their own area so I guess anyone living there needs to think twice about going on holiday.

So my local area in the central belt had 44 new cases per 100,000 in the last week. The Highlands had 24 per 100,000. That’s 0.00044% compared to 0.00024%. Come on let’s get a sense of perspective here!!! I’m actually laughing now at the attitudes on here (and I generally take Covid very seriously and am a rule follower!)

Yes of course you can say nearly double but double of a teeny teeny amount is still a teeny teeny amount

You're absolutely right, @Goingdooolally. Chucking around phrases like "double" means nothing - 1 case to 2 is doubling, as is 500,000 to a million.

In my area there are 91 cases per 100,000. That's 0.0009%. Or in another way, 99.999% of people in my area do not have Covid.

@BrazenlyDefying totally!!! Look at the numbers @Jodri @Scotslassie1 @iskwobel

I am sad at how divisive this has all become.

Travel is not illegal, bad enough having to comply with legal restrictions,certainly won't be following any non legal 'rules'

If I go in somewhere and am not made welcome I will leave and go somewhere else.

This is a disaster for the hospitality industry.

Funny how the decisions are made by people who will get their pay regardless.with zero consideration for all those who will lose pay /jobs

@user1487194234 well particularly as non legal rules don't result in any refunds. If non Central belt areas don't want any visitors then they're free to offer cancellation with refunds to any visitors. But they won't because tourism is on its knees and in many cases the £50 cottage clean with minimal chance of infection if PPE used and precautions taken, will mean the difference between buying groceries that week or not.

Whether you agree with it or not Scot.gov has chosen the route of lockdowns to tackle this virus: so I’m of the opinion that we just have to get on with it.

An economy reliant upon one industry is not healthy; especially one which favours zero hours contracts, cash in hand and is not known for employee rights.

Ok we are all one Scotland; spend your hard earned money in your own area and boost your local economy for this short time or save it till next better times if you have too.

@user1487194234 I think you make a good point. I genuinely believe the decisions would be different if made by people whose own livelihoods were at stake.

I think the suggestion upthread of a UK wide committee of a mix of experts (non politicians) would be the best way to handle things. No vested interests, or looking to see how it affects one’s electoral chances.

N Sturgeon has specifically said they do not expect people who have booked holidays to cancel!

This is on top of the request not to go abroad. So I would say the government had earlier given tacit encouragement to book within Scotland.

We have nothing booked so will be staying home.

But a proper travel ban on greater Glasgow area and students would be the only move justified imho by the numbers. Where I live incidence looked to be barely above Tayside and Dundee which as I understand it are not on the list.

@Jodri £1k on a holiday let on the West Coast is spent and no refund offered

Even if this thread there’s different interpretations of the guidelines announced yesterday.

I’m in the extra restrictions area and will be travelling to England next week for a break. I’ll also be travelling to Perthshire for a break the following week. From what I heard it was ok.

With respect i will go where i like and spend my very hard earned money where i like too

Actually I was saying I can see it from both points of view..

Yeah a lot of folk are losing money due to this pandemic, our household income has gone down significantly.
I’m happy you had 1k to spend on a holiday; going on holiday is risky in a pandemic.