October lockdown?

[Goingdooolally]

Hi
I can’t see another thread on this and I think it’s more Scotland than general CV related.

Any thoughts on this? I’m a teacher and there’s been no word at work but I’m hoping to go away for a week in half term (west coast) and really really hoping lockdown doesn’t happen! Selfish I know, but we need a break!

Anyone got any views on the likelihood?

I'll stick to the restrictions that make sense, but provided I'm still allowed to travel the 40 miles to visit me DPs I will visit them inside.

If all household mixing is barred I will meet my friend outdoors for a socially distanced walk regardless. It will not increase infection and the last lockdown nearly broke me when I couldn't do that.

Of mask wearing outdoors if that's a new thing well I'm not going to be able to run with it on I don't think so I'll have to see what's said.

Oh honestly @MadameBlobby that sends a shiver down my spine, the thought of us all wearing masks inside and out.
It’s like a nightmare you might have if you eat cheese too late at night.

They can't expect us to follow more stringent rules when Margaret Ferrier is still in a job.

I had a nightmare last night that the country had been taken over by the army and you had to honour and comply with what they told you. They were marching in the streets, and would take you away arbitrarily. Scary!!

Obey, not honour

I will follow what people who are shielding for their own protection want to do, i'e wear a mask if speaking to them. I will do anything that I am legally bound to do, otherwise I'll be using my own judgement and doing what I see fit.

I really don't like the "fault" narrative. The virus is here, it's not going away. It is going to spread. The very nature of ANY virus is that some people might spread it without knowing they are infected. That isn't their fault or their responsibility. It is just the way of the world.

The "don't kill granny" narrative of heaping the blame for this shitshow onto the general public is not fair. And besides, being able to pin down exactly how you caught the virus is often impossible. A friend of mine caught Covid in London in March, probably in a restaurant or bar. Is that the "fault" of her fellow diners, or the restaurant manager, or the government? Of course not.

But of course piling the blame onto the public, telling them off for being naughty, breaking the rules and heaping on the guilt for killing grannies detracts from everyone asking the hard questions about just how long they are expecting us to live like this, and what happens if there's never a vaccine.

So yes I will be going on holiday even if Nicola says it's naughty for doing so. I am an adult, I know the risks. I won't be spreading it to anyone because I'm going on holiday with my immediate family and nobody else. And if I do catch it from a randomer in a supermarket or cafe - well that's just as likely in Glasgow as it is in Aberdeen, York or Dorset.

yes, and the reality is that science shows that the local restrictions make no difference.

I do think there should been more rigorous enforcement of existing restrictions earlier - by that I mean ensuring hospitality venues were complying with distancing measures, that students in Halls were not having parties and that people entering the UK were complying with quarantine.
DD shares a flat with an EU national who had all her paperwork in order including documentation of a negative test result when she arrived and was shocked to be simply waved through with no questioning. She has since quarantined for the 2 weeks but no-one has ever been in touch to confirm she is where she said she would be.

Nor was any check done that where she said she would be actually existed !

@BrazenlyDefying

I really don't like the "fault" narrative. The virus is here, it's not going away. It is going to spread. The very nature of ANY virus is that some people might spread it without knowing they are infected. That isn't their fault or their responsibility. It is just the way of the world.

The "don't kill granny" narrative of heaping the blame for this shitshow onto the general public is not fair. And besides, being able to pin down exactly how you caught the virus is often impossible. A friend of mine caught Covid in London in March, probably in a restaurant or bar. Is that the "fault" of her fellow diners, or the restaurant manager, or the government? Of course not.

But of course piling the blame onto the public, telling them off for being naughty, breaking the rules and heaping on the guilt for killing grannies detracts from everyone asking the hard questions about just how long they are expecting us to live like this, and what happens if there's never a vaccine.

So yes I will be going on holiday even if Nicola says it's naughty for doing so. I am an adult, I know the risks. I won't be spreading it to anyone because I'm going on holiday with my immediate family and nobody else. And if I do catch it from a randomer in a supermarket or cafe - well that's just as likely in Glasgow as it is in Aberdeen, York or Dorset.

I agree. I'm really beginning to hate the whole "blame" narrative that's going on. I think that has implications for a long time.

No one chooses to get ill. It's not the vulnerable peoples fault, like was discussed at the start of this. Its not young people's fault for wanting an education. It's a virus spread much the same way as colds/flus and we don't point fingers and demand to know why people are ill, yet that's now seen as acceptable for anyone diagnosed with covid.

@BrazenlyDefying

I really don't like the "fault" narrative. The virus is here, it's not going away. It is going to spread. The very nature of ANY virus is that some people might spread it without knowing they are infected. That isn't their fault or their responsibility. It is just the way of the world.

The "don't kill granny" narrative of heaping the blame for this shitshow onto the general public is not fair. And besides, being able to pin down exactly how you caught the virus is often impossible. A friend of mine caught Covid in London in March, probably in a restaurant or bar. Is that the "fault" of her fellow diners, or the restaurant manager, or the government? Of course not.

But of course piling the blame onto the public, telling them off for being naughty, breaking the rules and heaping on the guilt for killing grannies detracts from everyone asking the hard questions about just how long they are expecting us to live like this, and what happens if there's never a vaccine.

So yes I will be going on holiday even if Nicola says it's naughty for doing so. I am an adult, I know the risks. I won't be spreading it to anyone because I'm going on holiday with my immediate family and nobody else. And if I do catch it from a randomer in a supermarket or cafe - well that's just as likely in Glasgow as it is in Aberdeen, York or Dorset.

Well, you can see how easily it happens, when posters on here are STILL blaming everything on Glasgow 'where no one is following the restrictions' apparently. Glasgow is a big city. It's a city where many people are very poor. It's a city where people, through necessity, are living cheek to jowl. But the constant posts blaming the people of Glasgow for the covid numbers are really ducking me off. Everyone I know in Glasgow is following the rules, to the best of my knowledge, whereas I know loads of people who live rurally who are barely sticking to the restrictions at all. It's your fucking luck.

The blame thing reminds me of the AIDS thing in the 80s.

And the rates appear to have soared in the local lockdown areas in England.

The finger pointing is starting in earnest now we are into the second wave proper - the scot gov has got to go some to justify why they think their extra cautious approach is working over different strategies when our numbers aren't better.

People make mistakes, people ignore rules both intentionally and accidentally, the students had to come back to get some chance at peer socialising and moving onto the next phase of their lives.

I don't blame Glasgow, but with their rates they should have been subject to a local lockdown ala Aberdeen a long time ago.

I blame Nicola for that.

For us cosy middle classers in affluent suburbs or rural areas who can work from home or come into contact with very few it’s easy to blame the bams in Glasgow

But I do lay a lot of blame on our elected leaders.

Is there a geographical breakdown of hospital and ICU data available? Would be interesting to see if it matches the case numbers.

@Lazt

For us cosy middle classers in affluent suburbs or rural areas who can work from home or come into contact with very few it’s easy to blame the bams in Glasgow

But I do lay a lot of blame on our elected leaders.

It's hard to tell in Glasgow as most of the areas are high and I'm not as familiar with the areas, but when i looked at the lower detail chart for edinburgh, it's really a mix, lots of "deprived" areas with low rates and more affluent with high rates.

I don't think it's as simple as that, City centres obviously have high levels of students so with the amount of testing going on there, it's no surprise that city centres are high but outside that, Edinburgh anyway is much more mixed.

Have a look about on here and the info might be available somewhere @aquamarine1

public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview

@aquamarine1

Is there a geographical breakdown of hospital and ICU data available? Would be interesting to see if it matches the case numbers.

I don't think they'd break it down beyond health board area. Too potentially identifying.

Oh God, MadameBlobby that's a thought. Masks everywhere. They made masks mandatory in our council offices this week.

I also hate the blame narrative. Us and them politics is dangerous. "The Chinese Virus" "Build the wall!" "Shut the borders!" "Keep the tourists out!" "Irresponsible students!". All divisive.

Thanks, that tableau link is really interesting.

Glasgow and Lanarkshire have had higher case numbers for months now whereas Edinburgh’s were very low before the students returned.

This should mean less cause for concern- or would do if we had an effective track and trace system to control outbreaks.

@Ecosse track and trace is ok in Scotland at least we haven't put it all on one big excel sheet. I hope.

Wish they would stop travel for a couple of weeks.
A classic example is one of the cases on Uist caught it when visiting.

This just a nightmare. Until everyone just accepts we need to curtail our social lives a bit it's just going to get worse.