Does anyone disagree with Scottish restrictions?

[Torvean32]

As far as i can see the spread started in Glasgow then spread to the areas around it.
NS failed to sanction them properly.
She locked Aberdeen at 82 cases.

Cases in Grampian and the Highlands are low. We are now being unfairly sanctioned. The whole thing is a joke.

NS doesn't have the guts to fully lockdown Glasgow.

Ppl in Aberdeen have less trust in NS as this goes on.

Are so many people genuinely incapable of grasping that increased incidence of interaction = increased instance of community spread?

It's not difficult, or contradictory, or 'nonsense' or any of the other ridiculous hyperbole being thrown around.

The evidence is showing that the overwhelming majority of community spread is taking place in private households, hence the restrictions.

I support them. I wish they could have made them a bit more localised but I appreciate why they feel they can't.

My mum is regularly in our house and regularly forgets social distancing. I can see why homes are the hot spots. It makes sense to me. In a cafe we are sitting at a table. In our house she's walking all over the place, sitting right beside the kids on the sofa, coming right beside me in the kitchen to try and help with the cooking, touching the hoover every 5 minutes etc etc.

If I were in Orkney or the Western isles I would be very cross, yes. The whole thing is total bollocks though, I've had my fill of being lectured at daily by Nilcola and talked to as I was 6.

@XDownwiththissortofthingX, how are the new limitations supposed to help? If people were flouting the rules before, they will continue to do so. If the weren't, they are getting punished for nothing
I am in LA with next to zero cases. Why should I be punished the same as other areas?
Moreover, when these measures will be seen to have no effect, what then?
Be ready for much harsher punishment in the next few days/weeks (1, 2 or 3 max).

Most important of all, once we find the right measures and numbers do go down, WHAT THEN?

I guess consistency/ being clear helps the message get through. Boris's line - "The iron laws of geometrical progression are shouting at us from the graphs " ..🤔

@Rae36 , unless you are starring in the handmaid's tale, your mother is behaving in a pretty natural/normal way. She is not going around embracing strangers, is she.
Let's keep a modicum of common sense here.

I’m not taken in by the pretence of clarity - all of the politicians are stumbling around, and it’s by no means clear what will turn out to have been right in the end.

I am starting to wonder where this ends and how - fine for us with time on our side who can rest assured at some point in the next year it’ll be over but my parents have been scared for a long time now. I can only hope the Oxford vaccine resolves this mess.

Yep I think it’s a joke.

I fully get protecting the elderly and vulnerable and happy to not visit other people, avoid busy places, wear masks etc

But she should really be closing the borders or forcing a mandatory isolation on anyone travelling abroad. Makes no sense that I can travel to turkey on a flight with strangers but can’t visit my parents and act cautiously

Well if the current rules are not enough and people ignore them then we will enter the merry go round of lockdowns. It will be even more miserable.
Given than this virus is here to stay we better learn to live with what we got. If not we make it worse and risk longer health and economic hardships. I guess in the end the choice is ours.

People do need to isolate coming back from abroad? She did say that people should not travel abroad today. I don't know anyone who would at the moment?

@Callisto1, I quite disagree. The plan as it is now does not offer any way out. Being content with our lot is a very Presbyterian way of looking at it, but, in this case at least, it will bear no fruit because, as we have seen, no sooner do you relax something, than numbers go up. To be absolutely frank (as the politicians like o repeat), numbers will go up now, even if everyone abides by the rules.
A change in narrative and strategy is badly needed so that we can find something that is sustainable long term.
Why stick to a plan that has been proven it doesn't work?

Rae36 , unless you are starring in the handmaid's tale, your mother is behaving in a pretty natural/normal way. She is not going around embracing strangers, is she.
Let's keep a modicum of common sense here

Yes but if one of us catches it, which is quite likely sooner or later given that we've got 3 kids at school and one of us works in a hospital, her chances of catching it are pretty high when she's wandering about our house forgetting all the rules because its all so familiar and feels so safe. She's way less likely to catch it if we're just sitting together in a cafe for an hour at opposite sides of a table. Not impossible, but less likely.

It just reduce me the instances of interaction. Your child can be in the same class as children all day. Going to their friends house for a play date too increases chance. Ok they already had a much increased chance just from going to school but each and every interaction above that especially in side people ma house increases everything further. If each child in Scotland has say 3 play dates a week that is an overall increases a considerable percentage above if children are only going to school then home. It’s about prioritising what’s important and reducing risk elsewhere where we can

It’s about prioritising what’s important and reducing risk elsewhere where we can

This. It's so frustrating when people say 'but my children can go to school...' The benefits of your children being in school are more than the benefits of your children playing in another kid's house.

I actually feel that the six people, from six different households for 12-18 year olds is a bit nuts. They're not counted as children in terms of the virus (and aren't the best of social distancing) so they could easily spread it round 6 households.

As I said near the start of the thread, Glasgow and Renfrewshire have not been allowed anyone in their homes for a few weeks so they have had restrictions before everywhere else.
Sadly no many relaxed and gave up on complying with the rules and here we are, it’s not NS fault it’s the ppl who refused to abide by rules.

@BrazenlyDefying totally agree, if I was one one of the more inaccessible islands, I would be pretty pissed off given that many have no instances of Covid.

But we're not inaccessible Papsofjura the ferries are full of tourists, of people coming to house hunt.

I did go out for dinner last week and on one side of me was a couple from Essex and the other a couple from Yorkshire. Both up on holidays.

If this keeps up I'll be going on holiday too - I can't have family stay in my spare room but 2 households can still hire a self catering place in Scotland?

NS failed to sanction them properly
OP, I find your language really odd
And other people who have talked about being "punished"
Lockdown is a public health measure. It's not the naughty step.

@unlimiteddilutingjuice, take it to the HT FM as it is she who employs naughty step language, and has done so over and over and over again.

@MrsAmaretto

If this keeps up I'll be going on holiday too - I can't have family stay in my spare room but 2 households can still hire a self catering place in Scotland?

Do you have a link to this please?
We are in the middle of a week self catering and my daughter and her partner were supposed to join us for the last couple of days but presumed we couldn't due to the no mixing of 2 households?

Arkadia OP said Sturgeon should have "sanctioned" us in Glasgow and because she didn't...Highlands and Grampian and being "sanctioned unfairly"
Then several other posters chimed in with views about who deserves to be punished and who's being "punished unfairly"
It just a really striking difference from the beginning of lockdown when it felt like we were all in it together.......all this bickering about who "deserves" restrictions and who doesn't...
I saw a recent article that said lockdown restrictions are now more decisive than Brexit.
It really concerns me because in Mid October we will be in a full lock down again and there's a really widespread feeling that lockdown is either illigitimate or should apply to someone else.
I can't see it being as well observed as the last one at all. And I don't know where that leaves us.
I just hope we get a vaccine to help us out of this mess.

We've just found it! On the Visit Scotland site.

Glasgow don't go to your pals with your carry out Aberdeen SHUT . Now rest of us in between are now dealing with it.makes no sense

@unlimiteddilutingjuice, in a few weeks' time we WILL be in full lockdown. You can count on it. Both BJ and NS cornered themselves - the latter even more so.
From the BBC website:
Even if the public does take more care - and the fear is the large proportion at minimal risk will not, as taking steps such as self-isolating for 14 days on the basis of close contact with an infected individual can cost people income - it remains doubtful the rise in cases will be halted.