Glasgow, East Renfrewshire and West Dumbartonshire restrictions

[Ginger1982]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53989021

So nothing is happening in East Dunbartonshire or does it come under Greater Glasgow? My kids go to school in Glasgow but we live right on the border in ED. I've felt as if we're in a bit of an information vacuum since Amy Callaghan, our MP was taken seriously ill in June. Glad to see she's made a statement just a couple of days ago to say she's recovering and will be back to representing us soon. She's been through such a lot.

There still seems to be a large ish number of people in hospital with Covid in Scotland...264 yesterday but it has been high like this for a long time.

Yes it seems to be younger people getting it at the moment but they can spread it to others so I suppose that makes local restrictions pretty vital.

E Dun is separate and not affected (directly) by last night's announcement. It's the SG that's making these decisions so it's your MSP you should look to for info rather than MP...

Is that right Sturmundcalm? Shows my woeful grasp of local politics! I probably knew who that was at one point but haven't been paying attention recently

I think we have to think about why homes seem to be better environments for spreading it than pubs, shops, etc.

The factors must be the size of the space you're in, time you spend sitting closely with people, ventilation, etc.

Stands to reason that if you're in someone's 3x3 metre living room then you're breathing in whatever the other person is breathing out. In a big space like a bar or restaurant it's not quite as direct; the potential spread is diluted in the bigger space. Plus in a bar/restaurant you might be there a couple of hours, moving around, whereas in a house you can be there for a completely unlimited time.

It's not really tinfoil hat territory, it just stands to reason. Some fuckwits on this thread though, are the reason the rest of us will have to live with restrictions for longer. Big hand for you!

i think you're right about the home environment being the locus of most of the transmission. That's why they've said the whole household of someone who has been in contact with a known case has to now isolate even if they're not showing symptoms. And if your child comes back from school with any of the 3 main symptoms the household has to isolate until they've had a negative test.

East Dunbartonshire isn't included for now, although there's a few schools with thank and trace going on (plus over the border in North Lanarkshire).

Assuming those holding house parties in ED have got lucky!!!

Some fuckwits on this thread though, are the reason the rest of us will have to live with restrictions for longer. Big hand for you!
Yy I wish this was one of the sections where MNHQ banned derailers and determined numpties.
Certain posters try to turn every Scottish thread into an opportunity to show their politics whilst the David Icke followers moan about how it's nonsense to have restrictions.
I think MN should have had a much more robust policy towards Covid19 deniers; conspiracy theorists and UsForThem-ers. It's embarrassing some of the nonsense spouted on here.

There still seems to be a large ish number of people in hospital with Covid in Scotland...264 yesterday but it has been high like this for a long time.

You need to distinguish the difference between being in hospital with covid and being in hospital becasue of covid.

Lots of people will be in hospital for completely unrelated reasons but have tested positive. So they have covid but that's not necessarily the reason for being in hospital.

Same goes for those in intensive care, that could be or not be related to having covid.

This is why the stats are largely meaningless a lot of the time.

@SusansSassySidePony. I disagree to be honest. There is a lot of misinformation/fake news/etc etc all over the place but I don't think we need more sensorship. As frustrating as it is when you see the stuff you don't think is true, it's better top have that on and for folk to be able to counter argue etc than it not being allowed.

I also don't think the problem is people popping in to see their family for an hour, it's large gatherings and parties in confined spaces that's the issue.

People aren't acceptig that since they aren't allowed to book a venue for a party, that means they shouldnt have one, so then you have 50/100 or whatever folk crammed into a semi or a flat, all drinking and not distancing or washing hands etc.

That's the problem.

And now folk are not then popping in to see their mum or dad or whatever which I don't think seems to be the issue.

There was a biggish cluster in a rural area in Ireland where I'm from there previously had been almost no cases. It started at a house party and then spread through other events held in peoples houses. They identified who they thought was the initial asymptomatic superspreader and although they had been in pubs and restaurants, all the cases seem to have been linked to the events held in houses.

They need to nip things in the bud before they get out of control. So these partial restrictions are better than Glasgow ending up in total lockdown in a couple of weeks.

I think it’s about time we used our own common sense instead of listening to Nicola Sturgeon & the rubbish she sputters! You can’t go round to your parents/grandparents house - who you know have been fairly sensible - but you can go to meet them in the pub? Use your own judgement.

@Newmama29

I think it’s about time we used our own common sense instead of listening to Nicola Sturgeon & the rubbish she sputters! You can’t go round to your parents/grandparents house - who you know have been fairly sensible - but you can go to meet them in the pub? Use your own judgement.

I would hope then you wouldn't do both of you are in one of tbe impacted areas!

Facts say that cases are being transmitted in Households.

So if you chose not to go to the pub too - then good on you.

But at least have the common sense to understand the difference between facts and your common sense!

I am sure she will lockdown further if required.

I suppose now that furlough is going they just can’t close the pubs etc anymore.

I think this is it.

Re: the figures in hospital. What with them being so skewed wrt England’s population:hospitalisation - a FOI was requested and it looks similar to the previous “anyone counted” debarkle.

In layman’s - if you have a car crash but a month ago tested positive - you’re included in Scotland’s hospitalisation figures.

All is explained here:

twitter.com/govindajeggy/status/1301120185013862410?s=19

@Newmama29

I think it’s about time we used our own common sense instead of listening to Nicola Sturgeon & the rubbish she sputters! You can’t go round to your parents/grandparents house - who you know have been fairly sensible - but you can go to meet them in the pub? Use your own judgement.

Yeah fuck anyone who is basing their advice on information! Fuck the man!! Fuck the system!

Grow the fuck up love.

All those people saying “you can meet in pubs” - you do realise you’re supposed to socially distance from other households in the pub don’t you???
Tables should be prebooked, separated by distance or screens, table-service only or socially distanced managed queues, extra cleaning etc etc.
I’m not trying to argue that’s what’s happening but that is the rules - not close mixing with other households as happens in houses.

@museumum I passed the big Wetherspoons near me a few weeks ago and it was rammed. At midday. I remember thinking this is going to kick off. You can see why people are pissed off about pubs being ok but not family homes when a lot of pubs look as they normally would.

@museumum

Theoretically you are supposed to socially distance from other households in the pub, but in practice it’s not really possible to stay apart from the group you are with.

It is relatively easy to stay apart from other groups, but realistically you can’t have one metre distancing between households in a group of 2 parents, 2 DC, 2 grandparents and a BIL and SIL out for Sunday lunch.

Wait two weeks they always say. Huge spike incoming. But the months roll past with no spike.

From what I gather though the tracing system actually speaks to people who have tested positive and from those discussions are clear that it’s being transmitted in homes and house gatherings. Hence don’t gather in houses.

If folk are listing family and friends they’ve seen at home, it doesn’t make sense to close pubs. If people are listing pubs and restaurants it would be difference, hence the difference advice for Aberdeen and Glasgow.

One thing I wonder about though: in Tayside care home visits are stopped, but in Glasgow etc outside visits can continue.

Just a weird anomaly really.

[quote BostonCalling]@museumum

Theoretically you are supposed to socially distance from other households in the pub, but in practice it’s not really possible to stay apart from the group you are with.

It is relatively easy to stay apart from other groups, but realistically you can’t have one metre distancing between households in a group of 2 parents, 2 DC, 2 grandparents and a BIL and SIL out for Sunday lunch.[/quote]
That's too many anyway isn't it? Indoors it's 8 people from three households max.