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MadameBlobby · 01/09/2020 21:49

@Lemondrops41

I'm not surprised if everyone's attitude is the same as my MIL. She's 79, we went to see her yesterday (first time since lockdown). When we got to her front door I took a bottle of hand sanitiser out of my pocket and told DP and DC to hold out their hands. MIL comes outside to ask what we're doing. I explain that we have to sanitise our hands before entering her home. MIL says I'm being ridiculous, DP laughs then points out that this is the rules. We get in the house and MIL goes to hug DP. DP jumps back and tells her she has to keep 2m away from us. MIL says it's rubbish. I point out that we still have to SD inside her house and we will. MIL refuses. MIL says she's allowed to form a bubble with three families. We point out that it's one bubble and she's formed that with another family.

MIL has no idea what are the current rules and which are old rules. She has no idea which are the Scottish rules and which are the English rules. MIL does not want to SD inside her home, she wants to behave like normal. Apparently all her other visitors have being doing this and we are the only ones who are insisting on social distancing. MIL has read some news article which says the current strain of COVID is very mild and it's not killing anyone. MIL believes this to be true and that she's safe. Maybe today's news and how we behaved yesterday will make her see sense.

Can you share a link to the rule that says you need to sanitise your hands before going into someone’s house?

MadameBlobby · 01/09/2020 21:52

@Timeforanotherusername

ultimately they are targeting the cause of the infections.

Virus is being spread with families mixing. They will have all the data and know how it is happening.

In Aberdeen it was pub crawls that were causing the problem.

Its the same restrictions as the NW of England. She can see that on the whole these measures have reduced cases.

They may be unpopular and people may moan, but it will make people take more care again and it's relatively pain free economically.

The Aberdeen lockdown was very costly to that area in addition to the previous national lockdown.

Hopefully people keep the heid and don't continue to spread it.

Yep I agree. Presumably the intelligence and contact tracing shows that this is where cases are coming from. At the end of the day pubs can enforce rules around numbers and take details for test and protect but that’s much less likely to happen with a house party. People don’t have to like it but if they don’t want even worse restrictions they do need to comply.

user1487194234 · 01/09/2020 22:23

I shall continue to visit my parents

Sturmundcalm · 01/09/2020 22:24

hand sanitising isn't a rule, it's public health guidance in terms of good hand hygiene - i'm not sure nitpicking over the phrasing used really moves the discussion on?

we're adjacent to one of the LAs impacted and have had local cases so when I had to go to my vulnerable mum's house last night to give medication I not only hand sanitised I then added gloves and a mask.

we have stuck with the rules as much as possible which has always included social distancing with anyone not in your household regardless of the relationship or where you're meeting up. the attitude that only people you don't know in a pub can give you the virus rather than family/friends is v odd! I'm no fan of the scottish govt but if public health are saying the spread is happening through home contact what would be the point in closing pubs?

Cloaked1 · 01/09/2020 22:34

Just because the virus has spread in a few homes doesn't mean it will do so tomorrow, the next day or after that. It will spread to wherever infected people go - so could be pub/ shop etc. It makes no sense to stop people visiting homes just cause some recent cases were passed on in homes. This whole thing is getting ridiculous now. We might not get a vaccine - so do we keep implementing more restrictions whenever cases jump up by a handful? It will never end if so.We've lost sight of the original aim of stopping hospitals getting overwhelmed. They never were overwhelmed up here - the new hosp at the SECC was never even used! Now we have a few extra cases and we ban people making home visits - so they will meet in the pub/ a cafe instead and mix with more people The house party people aren't the type to listen or care so this won't even impact on them! Total tosh

frasersmummy · 01/09/2020 23:31

It's a complete over reaction... 143 infections in 7 days in Glasgow... In a population over 1.6 million.

If we stop families meeting every time we reach these kind of numbers we are going to be a very miserable country for years to come..

Time to. Get a grip

aquamarine1 · 01/09/2020 23:33

I think the first minister has completely lost the plot. I won't be paying attention to anymore of this crap.

TitianaTitsling · 01/09/2020 23:39

[quote TrollTheRespawnJeremy]@Boyo7 I’m no conspiracy theorist, but I think it serves both purposes.

The house parties are prime ground for corona spread. There was news articles today about a ‘super spreader’ from Ayrshire attending many parties when they were meant to be isolating.
If they allow it to continue, the perceived lawlessness allows others to follow suit and then it’s a far bigger problem than they can possibly deal with.

The knife crime increase does fit into that narrative.[/quote]
The news about the 'super spreader' from Ayrshire is apparently tabloid bollocks and more of the feeding of general hysteria. Who's the info come from? The NHS? So someone's broken confidentially. Their 'pal' so likely to be as watertight as Oor Wullie's bucket!

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 01/09/2020 23:54

Exactly @TitianaTitsling. They have not been forthcoming with much in the way of proper statistics and geographical information. Particularly of an individual. Which is why the story - true or not- is interesting. It definitely has been pulled together to serve a purpose and illustrate this threat.

I would put my neck out to say, there probably is a statistically higher chance of contracting covid in a house. This restriction of movement will stop that from growing- but the true purpose will be for the police to try and get a grip on knife/drug crime which is rife at the moment and extremely under-reported in the press.

MadameBlobby · 02/09/2020 00:27

@Sturmundcalm

hand sanitising isn't a rule, it's public health guidance in terms of good hand hygiene - i'm not sure nitpicking over the phrasing used really moves the discussion on?

we're adjacent to one of the LAs impacted and have had local cases so when I had to go to my vulnerable mum's house last night to give medication I not only hand sanitised I then added gloves and a mask.

we have stuck with the rules as much as possible which has always included social distancing with anyone not in your household regardless of the relationship or where you're meeting up. the attitude that only people you don't know in a pub can give you the virus rather than family/friends is v odd! I'm no fan of the scottish govt but if public health are saying the spread is happening through home contact what would be the point in closing pubs?

I agree, I’m in between 2 of the affected areas and thought we’d be included but who knows we might well be. I’m all for sticking to the rules as I have done throughout but I just thought claiming it was the “rules” that you had to sanitise your hands before stepping over someone’s threshold was a bit silly.

BostonCalling · 02/09/2020 01:27

To be frank I don’t think this is a proportionate measure. The number of cases is not really relevant in the same way that the daily number of flu infections or car accidents isn’t.

What matters is the number dying and suffering serious ill effects and as far as I can see there are still very few people in ICU and only 2 confirmed deaths in the whole country in 6 weeks or so.

I suspect this is simply another example of Sturgeon enjoying the opportunity to exercise her authoritarian instincts.

Namara · 02/09/2020 06:29

@BostonCalling

To be frank I don’t think this is a proportionate measure. The number of cases is not really relevant in the same way that the daily number of flu infections or car accidents isn’t.

What matters is the number dying and suffering serious ill effects and as far as I can see there are still very few people in ICU and only 2 confirmed deaths in the whole country in 6 weeks or so.

I suspect this is simply another example of Sturgeon enjoying the opportunity to exercise her authoritarian instincts.

@BostonCalling It's well known that it takes at least a week if not two from onset of symptoms for someone with severe COVID to need ICU, and usually about four weeks until death occurs if they don't survive.

Perhaps instead of it being a political issue, it's an attempt to prevent this ??

Scotslassie1 · 02/09/2020 06:57

"simply another example of Sturgeon enjoying the opportunity to exercise her authoritarian instincts."
🙄🙄 ffs. You do realise this means she can't see her own family?

RJnomore1 · 02/09/2020 07:34

Isn’t her actual house in Blair atholll or something?

RJnomore1 · 02/09/2020 07:36

Btw the super spreader from Ayrshire has been named and shamed through social media locally so I’m not sure it is just tabloid fodder.

AgentCooper · 02/09/2020 07:44

If this is just to stop wee idiots having mad house parties then it’s not going to work because they’ll just do it anyway!

Grandparents can still provide childcare so I’m relieved at that as I’ve only just returned to working from home after 5 months on furlough. That information isn’t easy to come across though. I was in a panic last night and my friend who’s a journalist told me it was still allowed so I went to check a few news outlets and it is indeed the case.

InsaneInTheViralMembrane · 02/09/2020 08:19

@RJnomore1

Isn’t her actual house in Blair atholll or something?

That figures. Always had a hard time picturing her in a tenament in govan!

Scotslassie1 · 02/09/2020 08:29

No it's not in Blair Atholl!! It's in Glasgow. Also it was in the documentation right at the start that in the case of a lockdown, family can look after children IF needed for work purposes . I did say that earlier..

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/09/2020 09:53

@Scotslassie1

"simply another example of Sturgeon enjoying the opportunity to exercise her authoritarian instincts." 🙄🙄 ffs. You do realise this means she can't see her own family?

How is this stopping anyone from seeing their family?

They can meet up outside or go to the pub or the gym or whatever.

Callisto1 · 02/09/2020 11:21

Everyone seems to agree that we have to live with Covid. Surely a sustainable way is to have mild short term restrictions in hotspots rather than wait and then go back to the lockdown nightmare of March and April. Or have we started to believe in unicorns and fairy tales where bad things magically disappear?!

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/09/2020 11:29

I agree but people need to understand that the triggers for clusters may not be the same in different places, hence the different treatment and it's also the case that it's the people who comply who end up more impacted that those who don't.

What we need to get to is a place where reporting is factual and people are able to risk assess properly.

Folk getting all up in arms about what is currently 7 people in a council area of 80+ thousand. However it is all half information and rumour mill and it sets folk off. It's in an area where we have had no more than a handful of cases in months so is significant from that point of view, but if the track/trace is working properly it's not a reason for panic.

chocciechocface · 02/09/2020 11:37

@WouldBeGood

There are increased cases due to increased testing, no increased deaths and few hospital admissions. It’s simply not proportionate now.

Seriously ... are you an usforthem-er? Some of your comments 🙄.

The reduction in hospital admissions and deaths could be because the majority infected now are younger age groups. I really don't get the main point behind 'increased cases due to increased testing'. Only that I was laughing at Trump a few weeks ago for saying the same in America.

BritInScotland · 02/09/2020 11:51

Glasgow and West Dunbartonshire have more SNP voters than Aberdeen, which has a wealthier population and more Tory voters. Nicola doesn't want to piss off the SNP voters by closing pubs and shops here! Is East Renfrewshire Swinney's area? it is more about politics than health and safety. If she truly cared about health, she'd close the pubs.

WaxOnFeckOff · 02/09/2020 11:52

I really don't get the main point behind 'increased cases due to increased testing'. Only that I was laughing at Trump a few weeks ago for saying the same in America.

Well, the number of cases would of course be the same. A case is a case. The point really is that without increased testing we wouldn't be counting most of these as people had few or no symptoms and and recovered.

The whole stats is all wrong anyway. They can mean anything. The only reall figure is the number of deaths greater than we would normally have.

How many clusters/infected people were there before lock down? We don't know really as there wasn't any testing. We don't really know if numbers are actually any different than they were months ago. Becasue of track and trace then potentially infected people are being tested and reported upon, how many of those people would be on the stats if they hadn't been identified to test?

Callisto1 · 02/09/2020 12:48

You can put the number of positive cases into context by looking at the percentage of positive tests. Recently it's been around 1% of all tested that are positive. Back at the peak it was more like 30%. I think the WHO has a cut off of 5% above which it becomes worrying. Then you have recent hospital admissions which also give an indication of prevalence. They are currently low.

All these measures have caveats but it seems so far we're doing ok. That of course can change quickly given that in a society with no restrictions Covid spreads exponentially.