If you voted no in the independence referendum...

[HirplesWithHaggis]

...is Brexit changing your mind?

I've seen a number of people on social media (including MN) saying that they voted No in 2014 but would say Yes, or are starting to come round to the idea, in a second indyref because of Brexit. Sometimes it's because of the loss of freedom of movement, sometimes it's because Scotland's Remain vote has been completely ignored (see also Irish border issue), sometimes just the way our MPs are treated in Westminster.

Often it's reluctant, which I can fully understand. Have you changed your mind, are you swithering? Might you be persuaded?

For probably unnecessary disclosure, I voted Yes, and will do again. I am not a member of any political party/group. I'm just curious.

I voted no. Remaining in the EU is important to me; I could be swithered into voting yes but only if there was a cast-iron plan in place by the time of the referendum.

Instead I think there would more likely be another long, dragged out period of uncertainty and I'm not keen on dragging the country through it twice.

I just watched the SNP campaign for the EU elections saying a vote for the SNP is the a message to stop Brexit - what lies, a vote for the SNP will be taken as a signal related to independence, voting Lib Dem or Change is a clearer message on Brexit!

I voted yes but only marginally. My dh voted no marginally aaa he didn’t want the disruption but after Brexit he’s a confirmed yes to Scottish independence.

I’ll be voting Lib Dem. wouldn’t vote SNP for anything.

Voted no and would again. Will not vote for SNP - try sorting out education before you even think about independence.

Why though museumum, does your dh think that even more disruption is now better? I could understand people changing to Indy if they believe in the long, long term horizon they feel sending a pro-EU message is worth a lot more hardship for, but people changing their minds on economic factors between Brexit and Indy as if we can choose boggle me

No and I’ll be no again in any future ref.

I still don’t see any convincing argument other than ‘well it can’t be any worse than this?’. I happen it think it could be. I hate that it feels so ‘tribal’ and there’s this view that no voters just need to be ‘persuaded’ across to the right side. I don’t need persuaded, I’m allowed to disagree with you and hold my own view.

I’ll vote for one of the Remain parties, but it won’t be the SNP because they will say that every vote this week is a cast vote for independence.

PCohle

If there's an argument I haven't heard yet that supports the union, and it convinces me, then I'll change my mind.

Great! But that is fairly different from "I don't think there's any argument that would make me change my mind"

It's not really. I got interested in independence sometime in 2012, and still support it now. I've heard/ read pretty much every argument back and forth in these seven years and none of it convinces me the union is good for Scotland. So no, I don't think there is an argument to change my mind, but if such does exist I'd be daft not to.

Confirmed "No" voters here seem to feel the same way, nothing can change their minds. I won't even try to argue against them here. But there are a few switherers more open-minded than I. :)

Another one cheering for eightwellies Perhaps if the current SNP administration focused more on sorting out the utter shambles in education and health, and less on petty point scoring and blaming previous administrations from years ago I might have a bit more faith that anything they propose would be a good idea.

And for what it's worth OP I don't believe that there's a growing body of previously no indy voters who would now vote yes. It's propoganda and rumour peddled by the SNP. They know this, which is why they're desperately trying to distance themselves from the deranged cybernats who ultimately harm their cause.

They need to park talk of another indy ref and spend money and time on improving outcomes for the people of Scotland through efficient and improved public health and education.

Using our money to fund another divisive referendum driven by an utter blind obsession with independence coupled with a complete inability to accept that the majority are not in agreement would be shameful.
They just need to stop spitting the dummy and concentrate on the day job.

So in answer to your OP, it's a no from me!

Yes, what MintChoc said...

just the way our MPs are treated in Westminster.

"Our" MPs are treated no differently in Westminster than any others. You might remember that 10 years ago one of them was Prime Minister. The fact that some of the current bunch are not taken particularly seriously is a reflection of their own individual qualities (and possibly a policy in 2015 of sticking a yellow rosette on anyone who stood still long enough).

And I'm a bit fed up of people stating Scotland voted Remain. Lots of people in Scotland voted Remain. Plenty didn't. I think those people were wrong but we can't just pretend they don't exist just because they think differently.

Anyway, no. Leaving the UK would just be making a shit situation worse.

Confirmed "No" voters here seem to feel the same way, nothing can change their minds.

Really? As I said, I'm a no voter and Brexit certainly made me reconsider my views, although ultimately the way events have unfolded have made me decide against supporting independence.

Refusing to recognise that changing circumstances may influence what is best for the country smacks of tribalism. Which, to be honest, has been my experience of SNP voters.

I would consider voting for independence if I could be convinced of an economic case where it wouldn’t be a disaster in 10-15 years when the Brexit dust has settled, and the picture on oil, renewables and taxes is clearer but the SNP are always giving the impression that they’ll capitalise on any wafer thin misunderstanding to get the thing through, rather like the pro Brexit groups

No and will always be a no, despite having utmost respect for certain Scottish politicians. Brexit doesn’t even begin to cover what it would be like leaving the uk. Substantial amounts of money to administer the process, not worth it. I’m actually reassured by this thread that people remain a No. Scotland has more power by strength in numbers in Westminster- long may that continue.

No and still No, Brexit makes no odds.

PCohle Then perhaps you have the argument to persuade me? Something I haven't encountered in seven years? I'm open.

My point isn't that you, or anyone else, should change their mind. Just that it seems narrow minded to think no events or circumstances ever could. We live in turbulent times.

I can't believe Scotland complaining about lack of independence from London and wants to be dependent on the EU. Just replacing masters.
Independence is that no London no EU. Make it on your own completely that's what it means.

PCohle OK, we can agree on that. :)

Brexit makes no difference to me, i voted no and would do again, the SNP hasn't done a lot of good in Scotland education is a shambles and so is the Scottish NHS, Nicola Sturgeon is more interested in point scoring against Westminster, she doesn't have her eye on the ball as far as Scotland is concerned

No then and no now.

Bluejag no it really doesn’t

I don’t think education is going well in Scotland but it’s about 20 times better than it is in England.

@Hobosno yes Scottish education on a par with Thailand now. What are you on?

@Hobosno oh yes it does. You are truly independent when you are your own boss. Very simple.