If you voted no in the independence referendum...

[HirplesWithHaggis]

...is Brexit changing your mind?

I've seen a number of people on social media (including MN) saying that they voted No in 2014 but would say Yes, or are starting to come round to the idea, in a second indyref because of Brexit. Sometimes it's because of the loss of freedom of movement, sometimes it's because Scotland's Remain vote has been completely ignored (see also Irish border issue), sometimes just the way our MPs are treated in Westminster.

Often it's reluctant, which I can fully understand. Have you changed your mind, are you swithering? Might you be persuaded?

For probably unnecessary disclosure, I voted Yes, and will do again. I am not a member of any political party/group. I'm just curious.

Brexit hasn't changed m mind, and I don't want to leave the EU at all. I'll never vote for Scottish Independence/SNP. Ever.

No and absolutely still no

Voted No and will again if another shambles indyref is forced on us.

Nothing stacks up and if you follow the progress of the new social security system you'll see why I have zero confidence in setting up an entire independent country. Also SNP have very questionable views on self-ID etc

I voted no for a number of reasons. I'd now vote yes with Brexit the main reason for changing my mind.

Survivingorthriving At last, a glimmer of hope! Thanks again, everyone, I appreciate you taking the time.

What do you mean, OP, by "a glimmer of hope"

I thought you were curious, and just interested in views, rather than looking for....I don't know the word (have started on Saturday night wine)..... Reinforcement? Validation? Support?

rareappearance, I was up front in my OP that I'm a Yes voter and will remain so. I stated that I don't think there's any argument that would make me change my mind (so I'm not surprised when No voters feel the same way). I have no reason other than curiosity, and I'm not arguing with anyone to try to persuade them to my pov.

But of course I'm happy when a No voter "converts". Maybe that is a form of self-validation, and agreeing with someone is a form of receiving/giving support, but then isn't most discussion?

No first time around and even more no now! There is absolutely no economic case for scottish independence and no real plan. I voted against Brexit but being British is more important to me than being European.

It seems a bit odd to state that there's no argument (or change of circumstances?) that would make you change your mind.

Not really supporting evidence based policy is it?

Ok Hirples

Still a firm No here

If they do have the (fucking audacity to hold a) second referendum then yes should need like 65% at least to win it. Or has Brexit taught us nothing?

I voted Yes to both independence and Brexit. On a second referendum due to the SNP handling of Brexit they would not get my vote. I vote for Tory in Scotland now. Brexit party European elections.

The estimate is 30% voted for independence and Brexit. Brexit is more important to me than Scottish independence.

Voted No and really hope it doesn’t come to another vote but would absolutely vote No again. I don’t personally know anyone who voted No and would now vote Yes. I also voted against Brexit however being taken out of the EU won’t influence my thoughts on Independence.

I voted no and would again. Brexit has made me even more aware of the ugliness that Nationalism unleashes. After what the 2014 Referendum did to divide this country, the prospect of going through it all again makes me feel sick. I want us all to focus on poverty, on the NHS and on Education. That will never happen whilst it's all constitutional chunterings.

PCohle, I'm not convinced that humanity routinely operates on "evidence based policies", and certainly these decisions (indy, Brexit) seem to invoke and involve a great deal of emotion. If there's an argument I haven't heard yet that supports the union, and it convinces me, then I'll change my mind. But no-one has produced such an argument, and I think it unlikely anyone will. "No" voters seem to feel the same way.

I voted NO and my opinion has not changed. The vote was the most destructive thing to happen to Scotland for many years imo. I hope they realise what they are unleashing when they inevitably repeat it.

I also can't tell you how angry I am with the SNP for their blatant manipulation of the Brexit situation for their own goal.

@EightWellies here here! Hence why I can no longer vote for them

No, and still no. I'm a remainer, but to be absolutely honest I don't know that much about the EU or what it does.

I know lots about England and what it does, and the idea of negotiating a brexit from a country we're so deeply, intractably and physically linked with would surely make the current shit show look like a Bunty annual.

No to further referendums. No to asking just under half the electorate to swallow major constitutional change. No to division and blame, I'm sick of all of it.

How can the SNP go on about their caring sharing inclusive worldview while trying to cut our country off at the border?

They should just have the second indyref and be done with it. The silent majority will speak again, though I dread the ramped up campaigning.

No, and still no.

Eightwellies. I'm angry too

I work in local government, a Tory/lib dem majority.

The antics of the SNP make me sick. They vote against properly researched and valid proposals, only to try and stick up the Tories.

It's disgusting.

I have in the past, but never more will vote SNP

They can stick their referendum up their arses

Our MP got in by just 21 votes. He's a total lying dick. I can't imagine being truly governed by people like him

I voted No and said to DH that evening the only thing that would make regret it would be Farage and his ilk.

I would now be prepared to vote Yes to remain a member of the EU. Scotland needs immigration. I believe in free movement. I want DC to have the opportunities I did to study, work and live in EU countries. I believe in social democracy and, broadly, EU policies pursue this. I think the EU will protect women's and worker's rights more than Westminster. I have benefitted so much from being a citizen of an EU state.

I still am no clearer on post independence issues such as the currency, judiciary inc Supreme Court, second parliamentary chamber, Head of State, etc. The constitutional stuff, I guess.

But, we are heading for chaos regardless. Chaos in a no-deal Brexit with a hard right Conservative/UKIP agenda or chaos with constitutional upheaval in breaking apart the U.K. I pick chaos in the EU.

If there's an argument I haven't heard yet that supports the union, and it convinces me, then I'll change my mind.

Great! But that is fairly different from "I don't think there's any argument that would make me change my mind"

you can't pick EU chaos instead of Brexit chaos though - this false choice is continually represented, most recently on the BBC Scotland debate night I saw a few weeks back.

Firstly, we don't know how the EU will cope economically with RUK leaving - France and Germany are both seeing the rise of populist anti-EU parties. Secondly, there are economic tests for EU entry - do you think these will be waived for Scotland as its economy declines with the shock of trying to go independent?

I've heard it time and again that it's all a wash now and certainly this is the SNP line, Brexit vs Independence - it absolutely doesn't work like that economically, if Brexit happens, all of Europe will suffer, Scotland won't be protected by independence and the shock of independence will increase the uncertainty.

If you think that in the end after 20 years or so you'll be patting yourselves on the back because Scotland is independent and in Europe, that's a nice sentiment but I'm not keen to see the next 20 years from a financial perspective.

I didn't vote as considered it an utter sham...I still consider it an utter sham. For the record, I love Europe but after two years spent working directly with EU representatives, I utterly detest the EU and history will not look back on these and the coming years favourably for the EU but that's another story. I also don't understand the generational thing, many ethnicities and ages on my estate voted Brexit. I guess it's down to where you live may be. All I know is what will be will be and all this belief in "democracy" is laughable when actually we have very little choice on how the country is run and in the future of this country, they simply want us to believe that we do.