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Second referendum part 2

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Gighasmokedhalibutisawesome · 16/03/2017 16:38

Any appetite for a continuance or have I missed the new thread?
There was quite a heated squabble respectful exchange of views so I am sure there is more to be said......

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NoLotteryWinYet · 21/03/2017 10:44

ok since we're talking about the EU - anybody see the petition against the EU trade deal with Sri Lanka because they refuse to drop their anti-gay laws? Not just the UK with a lack of moral fibre when it comes to trade:

go.allout.org/en/a/no-deal/

Calyx72 · 21/03/2017 10:52

Nolotterywin I don't understand. Can you explain how it couldn't benefit an independent Scotland please?

Fontella · 21/03/2017 10:53

I could sell my knickers but it wouldn't pay the mortgage

I dunno Gruff - they are fetching good prices on eBay. Especially used ones.

Confused

There are some very strange people out there .....

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/03/2017 10:57

Calyx if you're trying to build a case that Scotland can afford independence, presumably you think this sector is going to fare better (why?) under independence and make up for the loss of macro-economic stability independence would bring.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/03/2017 10:59

The onus is on the yes vote to prove that Scotland would be better off independent because staying in the UK is the current situation. Why vote for change unless you can 'prove' it'll improve things.

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 10:59

Or this

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/law/2017/mar/14/employers-can-ban-staff-from-wearing-headscarves-european-court-rules

Oh yeah so liberal... why can't we get rid of that nasty england and go and join europe.

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:04

It is national poetry day

www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_if.htm

Fontella · 21/03/2017 11:06

Scotland sells a lot of Whisky. We all know it and no point denying it. It is a very valuable export and makes up a sizeable chunk of the UK food and drink exports.

But it isn't the whole story by any means, and anyone who thinks you can build an economy on whisky is kidding themselves. Until 2016 it was actually in decline and it is Indian and Chinese markets opening themselves up to UK exports that is largely responsible for the increase - both non-EU countries and no need to be in the EU single market to trade with them.

The other most lucrative markets are the USA with nearly a fifth of all Whisky exports - and Japan - again, don't need EU membership to trade with them. Other fledgling new markets are Mexico, Turkey, Brazil ... you get the gist.

The value of all whisky exports is £4-5 billion. The value of Scottish trade with the UK is £50 billion. The value of Scottish trade with the rest of the EU is less than £12 billion.

The figures speak for themselves.

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:13

Slàinte mhath!

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Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:15

Lots of my english friends like whisky at the moment, though gin is also popular atm...

The problem is you can't have a stable economy if all your eggs are in one basket

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:16

Not when you are trying to carry the basket after a few whisky either.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/03/2017 11:21

Quite! Gives you a bloody awful headache if you over consume too I've heard :) So as fontella has clearly shown, there is no reason at all to think the lovely whisky sector will be any more vibrant after independence due to independence. Whereas the current fiscal imbalance according to Moodys means Scotland will risk junk bond status now and every time the oil price dips below a certain point.

Fontella · 21/03/2017 11:21

iechyd da!

Grin
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Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:25

Delicious alternative. We tried some that my bil llewellyn gave to us :)

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:41

I am beasted by the yessers and realised they are no bread-and-cheese-friend they want to chop us up caterwise and expect us to be chipper. What good would it be if we ended up as just dosset druv by sturgeon. We dursn't let us be devided.
Farisees are unlikely to survive if we end up independent. Everyo e qill suffer while sturgeon alobe will be goistering. It will be a gurt disaster and I will be juggered if it happens. She is leading us up the wapple way surelye.

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:41

That is sussex btw

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:42

*everyone will

*alone

Calyx72 · 21/03/2017 11:43

It doesn't need to be 'better' or 'more vibrant' in my opinion. It is an income stream which amongst others would benefit Scotland. Other independent countries would give their eye teeth for such a good industry which would benefit their country.

I don't think anyone realises how bad Brexit will make things.

Fontella · 21/03/2017 11:45

Delicious alternative

Ralfy (a proud Scot) approves - as this review of Penderyn proves. His Welsh pronunciation is shit though!

He thinks our whisky is 'seriously good' 'very distinctive' 'very original' and 'rather marvellous'.

Grin Grin Grin

We are going to take over the world I tell you ...

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:45

I'm with you...

Brexit will make things difficult for a while.

Scoxit will be an absoloute disaster

We can not rely on whisky, unless we are planning to just keep it and drink it all after independence.

Thegruffalowswife · 21/03/2017 11:47

Now now fontella I'll buy a bottle if you buy a half bottle of gin and a half of scotch 😂

trixymalixy · 21/03/2017 11:49

Calyx, we're not all brexiteers. Most of us are worried about the effects of Brexit. We just think that separation even without Brexit would have been of the order of magnitudes worse. With Brexit it's absolute lunacy.

NoLotteryWinYet · 21/03/2017 11:49

and the point i believe Fiona Hyslop was murdering in the interview is the one made several times on this thread: Scotland IS coming out of the EU, even if it can eventually get back in at some point. And however bad brexit is, Scotland will be much better placed to weather economic consequences as part of the RUK and with the barnett formula money flowing into its veins, like the warm glow of a nice whisky :)

Fontella · 21/03/2017 12:03

I don't think anyone realises how bad Brexit will make things.

Have you got a crystal ball or summat?

How do you know how 'bad' Brexit will make things. They export more to us than we export to them so it is more in their interest to have tariff free trade than it is ours. Do you honestly think German car makers and Continental wineries are going to want to lose UK trade?

The sky isn't going to fall in because we've left the sodding EU! We will be saving 50 million a day in membership contributions just for starters. We weren't in the eurozone anyway, so currency wise we are just fine - and we will be free to make trade deals with whoever we want.

There are nearly 200 countries on earth and less than 30 of them are in the EU. Of those, most are net recipients - getting more money out than they pay in and want the UK market far more than we want theirs - particularly the poor Southern euro states.

What terrible things are actually going to happen to us do you think because we decided to quit the EU? Countries smaller and less wealthy than the UK function perfectly well outside of political/fiscal unions.

The EU itself is up shit creek at the minute. The single currency hasn't worked, the Eurozone remains in crisis with youth unemployment at record levels in the poorer Eurozone economies. Nearly 50% in Spain and Greece. 12.1% in the UK. Also the UK leaving means that they lose a fifth of their budget, a black hole in the EU coffers that can only be filled by Germany - something that doesn't sit too well with the German people themselves, hence Eurosceptic parties making gains in Germany - something that would have been unheard of five years ago.

But it's the UK apparently that is going to economic hell by leaving such a marvellous institution?

If that's the case, why is Euroscepticism is on the rise in virtually every single member state right across the Union with parties committed to leaving the EU becoming political forces even in the more successful Euro countries like France and The Netherlands?

The UK might have been the first to head for the exit, but it's not necessarily going to be the last.

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