Second referendum part 2

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Any appetite for a continuance or have I missed the new thread?
There was quite a heated squabble respectful exchange of views so I am sure there is more to be said......

"I also fail to see why the SNP are only looking at this now because it's what their members want"

Jeezo, they can't do anything right can they?! I never said they were perfect, no political party is.

Nyx as I said earlier duped because the SNP are not using the full array of tax powers they already have and are instead banging on about not being able to alter the personal allowance.

I have often expressed deep concern over the fascist and deeply troubling nature of the snp. She is happy to sell us all out to get what she wants.

Have you seen this in the express today?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/780829/SNP-shame-extreme-right-activist-Neo-Nazi-sympathiser-Konrad-Rekas-Zmiana/amp

As I have said many times. .. Hitler came to power on the back of national socialism. You are all being duped in the worst possible way and you are destroying the safety and security of the whole of britain.

My patience for the yessers is running out completely now.

If teresa may allows a referendum ever in the future I would like to see an uprising right accross the uk. It is no longer just the business of the people of scotland. It is dangerous for the whole UK and I will not tolerate it.

My patience is gone too, gruffalow. They are like religious fanatics and you cannot reason with them. They do not give a toss about anything other than independence.

The world is going to hell in a handcart, we need to be united more than ever, but yes voters cannot see anything other than their obsessive cause. In fifty years it will not matter remotely whether Scotland is independent or not when climate change comes for us and the world is at war over water and land, but in indy land problems like this do not matter because the world ends at John O'Groats and Gretna Green.

I am terrified I can not understand how this has happened to scotland so quickly.

I sympathise with frustration about the SNP, and I agree that there is something rather sinister about the way they conduct themselves. Their obsession with breaking up the UK is something I'm very troubled by too, and I understand the desire to do everything you can to protect your country when it's under threat.

But I think the solution is more conversation and engaging with Yes voters (or leave voters, if an unbiased question is used). Just as the Brexit vote was a protest for many people who felt ignored (although obviously not everyone who voted Leave), I think that many support Scottish independence because they feel they are being marginalised and have no say in the running of Scottish affairs. Simply imposing anything from Westminster will undoubtedly make this perception worse, even if it is misguided (after all the Scottish parliament is actually extremely powerful - if the right administration with the competence to use those powers were in place).

I think there is far too much bad feeling left over from the last referendum, which has undoubtedly been cultivated by the SNP and their frankly deceitful behaviour, but it exists none-the-less. Unfortunately, I think there has to be a commitment to a future referendum just to maintain the peace, although this should be once the Brexit dust has settled and we know where we are - 2020-2021 at the earliest I would say. If it becomes very clear before then that support for independence is falling, then maybe it won't be necessary after all, but I don't think that 45% of the population is going to just forget about it given how much hatred has been stoked over the last few years, and is actively being stoked by our First Minister as we speak.

There will be no escape for the normal people either. England might consider us a security risk the way the world is going. I am terrified for the future of my childeren.

There will be no escape for the normal people either. England might consider us a security risk the way the world is going. I am terrified for the future of my childeren.

I understand this fear, but I'm sure that the UK will always have a place for us, even if Scotland does become unbearable (and I really hope that doesn't happen - I'd be heartbroken to have to leave my home).

I'm worried about what kind of educational and work opportunities Scotland holds for my children too given the current state of affairs, but politics runs in cycles and after such a long tenure the SNP are running out of time to prove they can govern before the people realise what they are and kick them out. I have faith that in the next 5 years or so the SNP will see a large fall in support, because they have very little of substance to offer and sooner or later the people will realise that.

Gruffalo an uprising?? Really? What would that achieve?

I apologise in advance for what I am about to say but...

Nikki is a traitor

She does not have a mandate for another referendum

She is acting like a dictator

I have no qualms about what will happen to her, should the government take a tougher stance

Thegruffalowswife

Some might conclude that last post sounded pretty unhinged.

I say this gently, maybe time to step away from your computer for a bit?

Nikki is a traitor

Eh? To whom?

She does not have a mandate for another referendum

She does

She is acting like a dictator

In what ways?

The Gruffalowswife, I agree that Sturgeon is extremely deceitful and determined to push through a referendum despite the will of the people, but please don't let her get under your skin. She's counting on the UK losing it and shutting her down, so that she can play victim and maybe push her support over 50%. Remember that she has to play these games because her mandate is a technicality and she lacks public support as it stands.

You know that Nicola is not Scotland, and that most Scots are not as aggressive as she is about her cause.

I know she is not all scots

Do the 59mil people in england know?

I'd say that quite a number do not.

They are stirring up something which will end in disaster for scottish people. Of course they will blame england when they finally retaliate, but it will be too late and blame will not fix the problem.

They are stirring up something which will end in disaster for scottish people

In your view. Brexit is not looking particularly rosy either.

A combination of bresit and scexit is suicide

I can not believe anyone thinks it will help

Media in England have stirred up anti-Scot sentiment even before Nicola Sturgeon was FM. It's a problem and not of the Scots making.

Media in England have stirred up anti-Scot sentiment even before Nicola Sturgeon was FM

And some of the Scottish press do the same in reverse

I think you're catastrophising Gruffalo and it's obviously upsetting you. Really as Mirror said, what difference will it make in fifty years.

I will vote for independence for Scotland for self governance as I said before but I love England and the English same as I do the Irish and Welsh. If it happens I will be happy. But if it doesn't then I will (after being disappointed) be happy again.

I would advise taking a step back from politics if you are feeling terrified etc.

A combination of bresit and scexit is suicide

In your view. With the greatest of respect what you think personally doesn't matter, this is a decision for all Scots to make. It could be argued that as we have a pro indy majority in parliament we could just announce independent now, but a referendum would be fairer and more decisive.

I lived in England for many years. My paenrs are scottish. Anti scottish sentiment was very unusual. They have had anti english sentiment expressed readily at them since returning and they are now ashamed to be s ottish so well done the yessers.
Anti scottish sentiment It is growing now though in england at quite a pace. God help you if you continue with this.

A referendum gives the people of Scotland a voice in our future following the Brexit change of circumstance. This in itself is not dictatorship or unfair.

No won last time and may very well win this time even if I don't want it to.