Where are all my No-mates?

[HamletsSister]

In despair. Absolutely in despair. Do we have to go through this again? And with such a long lead up to the referendum? Really? What happened to the settled will of the Scottish people?

@statisticallychallenged Will you help me get through this again? (Was Roseformeplease then).

[StatisticallyChallenged]

I'd love to say I'm surprised, but I'm not.

Before we get jumped on, I am very aware that these twats don't represent the vast majority of indy supporters. Unfortunately, as we saw with the last referendum, there does seem to be a particularly loud and awful contingent of social media warriors attached to the yes campaign

[BakewellTart2]

I feel a bit sorry actually for the Msps who were not for stopping the debate. They are public servants and in that i support them, they undoubtedly think they are doing the right thing BUT at a crunch decision moment they show their monomaniacal and slightly paranoid thinking.

It's sad. I am sad all round.

[mirrorisnotmyfriend]

It's stuff like that that makes me feel utterly ashamed to be Scottish, Fontella.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

yes roseanna cunningham covered herself in glory by the sounds of it...

[Fontella]

It's stuff like that that makes me feel utterly ashamed to be Scottish, Fontella.

You shouldn't be.

They don't represent all Scots and they don't even represent all Scottish Nationalists.

Just a bunch of idiots and hopefully a very small minority.

[Fontella]

I feel a bit sorry actually for the Msps who were not for stopping the debate. They are public servants and in that i support them, they undoubtedly think they are doing the right thing BUT at a crunch decision moment they show their monomaniacal and slightly paranoid thinking.

I think the outrage at them not stopping immediately is actually for all the wrong reasons. The point was that Labour, Conservatives and Lib Dems .. are all 'national' parties in the sense that they are UK wide. They had friends and colleagues caught up in what was happening at Westminster and at the very least it was a worrying distraction - what had happened, how bad was it etc. You can't really debate something when your attention isn't on that debate, but wondering about what is going on hundreds of miles away.

What I couldn't understand was the SNP who has 56 MPs at Westminster seemingly not giving a shit about their safety, at least not initially? It was most odd.

Roseanna Cunningham is desperately trying to spin her behaviour to one of not wanted to be cowed in the face of terrorism, when in fact, what she was apparently doing was shouting and jabbing her finger accusingly at the Conservatives and accusing them of deliberately derailing the debate.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

Seems the SNP neither cares about their MPs in WM, nor parliamentary democracy in the Scottish parliament. I'm sure the footage of R Cunningham will cut through her attempts to spin.

If you can't rely on politicians to act in a statesman-like, grown-up, bigger person way when the chips are down (I'm also thinking of Trump here), why would you trust them to govern your country?

[Fontella]

I'm sure the footage of R Cunningham will cut through her attempts to spin.

Strangely, no such footage has emerged.



It happened after the official announced the debate had been suspended ... you hear the start of something and then the footage suddenly stops dead! I wonder why?

Apparently though, I read somewhere that you can request it and I'm sure ... someone, somewhere will try and get their hands on it.

[Fontella]

Bloody hell!

That Neil Findlay clip has clocked up nearly 55,000 views in a couple of days!

It was only just over a thousand when I last looked.

The SNP won't be liking that very much ...

[MaynJune]

No before and still No.

A friend of mine who voted No because of the economy now says she'll vote Yes because of Brexit. Our economy has miraculously picked up has it? I don't think so.

However, according to some I'm an old feartie so what do I know.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

The Neil Findlay clip from the debate is something Scotland can be proud of because it showed the SNP up for ignoring their parliament, perhaps it'll change something if enough people come to know of their disregard for the will of the people.

[Fontella]

Just read a brilliant comment:

"The Unionists made a mistake with 'Project Fear' last time and underperformed.

The Nationalists have made a mistake with 'Project Bulldozer' this time and have misread the will of the Scottish people."

[NoLotteryWinYet]

project bulldozer - sounds about right. The SNP's opposition in parliament all made wonderful points - the SNP being the party of grievance at heart, Dugdale's attack that the SNP haven't used their existing powers enough to protect the poorest or improve education, Findlay's attack on the SNP's record of ignoring parliament and Rennie's skewering of SNP tactics to appeal to all, dishonestly, over the EU.

And look at how the SNP will get this vote through parliament - by twisting the arm of the greens who'll pay a heavy price at the ballot box.

[UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy]

I'm still a no

[Fontella]

Just watching the debate on TV live now.

One of the Scottish MSPs just recited a Gaelic poem. Not quite sure how that is going to help her argument?

[NoLotteryWinYet]

what next, a rendition of the skye boat song? Much as I love it...

[UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy]

pmsl fonty. What utter fuckwittery :)

[NoLotteryWinYet]

and like all nationalist movements, the appropriation of culture for political ends...love the username nippy!

[UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy]

I pondered changing it to sitdoonweenippy after Ruthie said it earlier, but I just decided to leave it.

[NoLotteryWinYet]

did anyone see the news about how the SNP's university cap is meaning a record number of Scottish students don't get university places in Scotland yesterday, because they can't afford to increase the cap?

Number of Scots missing out on university more than doubles

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/number-scots-missing-university-doubles/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

[NoLotteryWinYet]

ha that article is from Jan! Still relevant I fear.

[Fontella]

I'm sorry guys - but as an outsider looking in on this debate, all the logic is coming from the opposition regardless of whether it's left or right. The SMP lot are mainly talking shite and they just sound like echoes of each other.

Why haven't they been held to account for not passing a single bill for over a year? Why have they underspent their budgets on housing and so on? Why do they ignore the outcomes when they are defeated on key issues?

[Fontella]

In case anyone else wants to watch it

www.scottishparliament.tv

[NoLotteryWinYet]

It's obvious the SNP are only getting away with their failing government because of the lure of independence and the fact that the opposition is split along conventional party lines. There's a clear 'sensible politics' vs 'cheap, continually repeated lies' split here.

[Fontella]

I love the way the SNP heads go down and they all start 'looking' through their papers when they get challenged.

The Lib Dem leader is speaking now and he's very gentle compared
to the rest - normal voice etc. just pointing out a few SNP double standards - and the heads have all gone down, suddenly engrossed
in whatever piece of paper comes to hand.