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Where are all my No-mates?

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HamletsSister · 13/03/2017 13:44

In despair. Absolutely in despair. Do we have to go through this again? And with such a long lead up to the referendum? Really? What happened to the settled will of the Scottish people?

@statisticallychallenged Will you help me get through this again? (Was Roseformeplease then).

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NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 07:03

I wonder whether Scotland would meet the economic criteria for EU entry by the time they've gone through the process. I've just signed up here and wondering whether I'm brave enough to post it to facebook

www.scotlandinunion.co.uk/

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mirrorisnotmyfriend · 14/03/2017 08:26

I'm still holding out hope that TM will say no. Or at least delay it for a few more years so that DH and I can make plans to leave. FB full of smug idiots wetting their pants with excitement and I just don't have the energy to go through it all again. The last one was awful and I am still on very bad terms with some ILs as a result, I also lost a couple of friends.

It beggars belief that people would think this is a good idea, to heap the chaos and uncertainty of independence on top of Brexit and isolate ourselves with no guarantee that we'd get in to the EU. But, apparently, many people do. I actually think yes will win this time.

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Fontella · 14/03/2017 09:23

Or at least delay it for a few more years

I don't think she has any choice but to delay it frankly. To grant it on the SNPs timescale, while Brexit negotiations are in progress would be political madness and not just for the UK but for Scotland itself given the uncertainty of the political landscape right across Europe.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 14/03/2017 09:35

It beggars belief that people would think this is a good idea, to heap the chaos and uncertainty of independence on top of Brexit and isolate ourselves with no guarantee that we'd get in to the EU. But, apparently, many people do

I can understand why people voted for Brexit , I can understand why people vote UKIP, I did understand why people voted for Thatcher and I can understand why Corbyn's harking back to far left politics of the 70s appeals to some people. I don't agree with any of them.

But pro- independence? No, not last time and not this time- makes no sense.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 10:21

i can't see it either - Scotland's economy would already be a disaster without RUK due to oil prices. The main myth indyref2 is based on is that Brexit means independence is somehow less risky, whereas it seems to me it's exactly the opposite.

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trixymalixy · 14/03/2017 10:35

If sturgeon actually wanted the best for Scotland then she would wait until we could see exactly what the outcome for Brexit would be before we voted.

Making us vote in the middle of the negotiations just shows that it's all
about independence whatever the cost and not about what will be best for Scotland at all.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 10:47

i agree trixy the SNP are excellent popular psychologists - this is about maximizing the affronted remain vote to turn it into a vote for independence, not at all about waiting and seeing what's best for Scotland.

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morningtoncrescent62 · 14/03/2017 11:12

It beggars belief that people would think this is a good idea, to heap the chaos and uncertainty of independence on top of Brexit and isolate ourselves with no guarantee that we'd get in to the EU. But, apparently, many people do

This. I'm a pro-Corbyn leftie and almost all of my friends were in Radical Independence last time round so I felt hugely isolated. But I just can't see how independence would be good for Scotland despite listening to all the RIC arguments and trying hard to be convinced.

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cheeseandcrackers77 · 14/03/2017 11:14

So as no voters perhaps we could now or further down the line when things hot up arrange to pool our opinions and any research we have done to counter the very vocal yes support. Perhaps even organise a mumsnet no supporters group in as many areas across Scotland that we can so those of us who perhaps aren't as confident at putting our views across to yes supporters we may encounter can have a pool of information we can refer to.

Last time we were the silent majority but this time I think we need to get out there and show that it's okay to vote no (easier said than done I know) and that we aren't scared to offer up another point of view.

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PaulAnkaTheDog · 14/03/2017 11:20

I'm so angry. I already had a Yes voting friend trying to goad me on Facebook last night about it and it just brought all the nastiness back.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 14/03/2017 11:20

i'm up for that cheese - last time I was heavily PG and not up for the viciousness but now I think we have to step up and be prepared to be hectored

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 14/03/2017 13:23

Where is StatisticallyChallenged ?

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Bejazzled · 15/03/2017 12:35

harverina
I feel British. But I also feel European. Being a part of the EU is important to and and part of my identity as a European

It is confusing, but Scotland will be out of Europe either way with no guarantee of being allowed back in at all. So the decision comes down to, a Scotland out of the UK and out of EU, or a Scotland part of the UK and out of the EU.

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Fontella · 15/03/2017 13:02

I feel British. But I also feel European. Being a part of the EU is important to and and part of my identity as a European

The EU is a political construct that has existed for only half a century. It has absolutely nothing to do with being 'European'.

We are British because we live on an island called 'Britain' and we are European because we are geographically part of the continent of Europe.

Are the Swiss not Europeans because they aren't a member state of the EU. Or Icelanders, or Norwegians?

You are British and European by geography not through membership of some political construct. If you 'feel' it personally then that's a different issue, but just because the UK is leaving the EU does not make any of us who live on these islands, any less European.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 22/03/2017 15:02

I'm here

I was overseas for work when the news hit that Sturgeon was going for round two, showed the story to the person I was travelling with who just replied with "Oh great, a few more years of hate and anger"

Summed it up for me. I don't want to do this again.

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HamletsSister · 22/03/2017 15:04

Thank goodness you are here @Statisticallychallenged. We can't do it without you.

But, the tone is different. More people seem against the idea of a referendum at all, which is heartening.

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StatisticallyChallenged · 22/03/2017 15:17

Unfortunately my FB is full of people crowing about the possibility - my office (still FS but different company) are all basically rolling their eyes and going "really, again!!!"

Get on with governing the country for the love of god. Anyone want to set up a new scottish political party? I'd not even specify that it must be hard core unionist - maybe just a Scottish focused party with a conservative (deliberately small c!) approach to independence i.e. only when the time is right, the numbers stack up, the plans are in place etc.

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bathshebaneverdene · 22/03/2017 21:28

Did anyone hear The Moral maze of R4 tonight, on nationalism. Hardeep Singh Kohli was a complete embarrassment - would not let anyone else speak, SNP groupthink/Stepfordness at it's finest.

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NoLotteryWinYet · 23/03/2017 07:15

Interesting - will check it out.

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bathshebaneverdene · 23/03/2017 09:58

No, no Fontella - fake news. All SNP supporters are fluffy bunnies who love their fellow UK residents, Nicola said so. There is no hate in the SNP or their supporters. Everyone is welcome, we are kind and luffly, not like those Westminster nasties.

They really are the lowest.

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Fontella · 23/03/2017 10:05

True news unfortunately.

I saw a lot worse yesterday - but much of it has been pulled now.

Yesterday was a false flag exercise, set up by the Tories to stop the Independence Debate in Scotland.

Yes that is how self-important they think they are. They really do think they are the centre of the universe don't they?

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NoLotteryWinYet · 23/03/2017 10:06

Did you see the news about one of the victims being a mum on the way to pick her kids up from school? These fb posts are beneath contempt.

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bathshebaneverdene · 23/03/2017 10:13

I can actually imagine the tweets from the SNP if it had been the Scottish parliament that had been attacked and people killed on the Royal Mile, and Westminster had not cancelled sitting - the bile would be spouting out their nose ends.

Luckily I'm not on twitter otherwise it would have been too tempting to respond.

People have died FGS. Yet the point scoring and oneupmanship goes on.

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