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HamletsSister · 2017-03-13T13:44:02+00:00

In despair. Absolutely in despair. Do we have to go through this again? And with such a long lead up to the referendum? Really? What happened to the settled will of the Scottish people? *@statisticallychallenged* Will you help me get through this again? (Was Roseformeplease then).

trixymalixy · 25/04/2017 09:15

I would very much like that poll to be right, but it seems so different to the others I suspect it's an outlier.

rogueantimatter · 25/04/2017 09:19

Hello. I'm a no voter. I could not be more strongly in favour of staying in UK. It just seems stupid to cut ourselves out of UK. We're tiny. I agree with pp who thinks there will be a brain drain - how could there not be? And the cost and waste of time in needlessly setting up our own bodies would be awful. We should be concentrating on bringing the countries of the world together when the whole world is threatened by climate change and pollution not fiddling about setting up new units of government so that a few selfish people can play at being leaders.

I'm in a marginal lib dem/snp constituency. I'll vote lib dem. I wish the parties would agree to have a coalition to get the cons out. But am worried that JC would accept a second indy ref as a condition of coalition with snp. He vaguely said yesterday that he didn't think Scottish independence was desirable but who knows. Lib dems have also ruled out a coalition with lab. I could crack their heads together! Hopefully they are keeping their cards hidden for now.

EnjoyYourVegetables · 25/04/2017 09:24

Corbyn loves a vote and democracy so would always imo acquiesce to SNP agenda. He said as much a few weeks ago then rowed back a bit.

rogueantimatter · 25/04/2017 09:39

Shudder. In the event of another ref my hope would be that the effects of leaving the EU will start to show and make the uncertainties created by leaving the UK seem unattractive.

NoLotteryWinYet · 25/04/2017 11:12

Ah the SNP are reverting to plan b igneococcus, claim that any fall in SNP support is not about people not wanting independence, but any increased support somehow always is!

howabout · 25/04/2017 11:13

I am optimistic that the Scotsman poll is accurate. There has been a downward trend since the Autumn and polling on attitudes to Brexit recently indicate that Scotland is not much different from England - voter apathy and fear of Indyref2 definitely distorted the EU ref result in Scotland.

Prior to the 2014 Indy campaign Yes was below 40% and core Yes SNP was about 35%. Given all the uncertainty it wouldn't surprise me if the "45" had gone back to being the "35" and if the result is lots of Tory seats. This may well start to galvanise Labour voters back to thinking voting Labour gives the prospect of a UK wide Labour government while voting SNP may ensure Labour never recovers North or South of the Border..

StatisticallyChallenged · 25/04/2017 13:11

I'm still seeing a lot of determined yessers who weren't core snp before indyref but I think a fair few have quietened down too. I suspect there is a subset who are pro Indy in theory and who probably voted yes in 2014 but are in the "not right now" box for round 2

UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy · 25/04/2017 14:28

Nicola sturgeon has said it is not about independence before every election.
After every election she claims her support is a mandate for a referendum.

This was the mumsnet web chat before the last gen election
(someone put it on twitter)

UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy · 25/04/2017 14:30

She is doing the same by giving several different positions on joining the eu.

She Is trying to appeal to her brexiteers and her remainers. She'll sell them all out to do what she wants if she gets independence.

Twooter · 25/04/2017 16:25

I don't understand why people voted remain to stop another indyref? Wouldn't it have made more sense to have voted leave so NS couldn't have blamed the English for dragging us out. ( obviously aimed at those who voted in the Brexit ref with a view to Indy knock-on effects, rather than a purely on Brexit)

trixymalixy · 25/04/2017 16:59

I don't think anyone actually thought that the leave vote would win twooter.

I did briefly toy with the idea of voting leave just to spite sturgeon, but it seemed too important an issue for a protest vote.

Y0uCann0tBeSer10us · 25/04/2017 17:18

I know one person who voted remain in the hope that it would push the remain vote over the line if it was a close run thing, and take away the excuse for Indyref2. It was a little naive, and I don;t think she fully appreciated how small a proportion of the UK population Scotland is (and therefore that it was unlikely to have a huge impact on the overall vote).

howabout · 25/04/2017 19:04

I was sure the Leave vote would win after speaking to friends and relatives the length and breadth of England. I would have voted Leave anyway as Independence within the EU is the worst of all positions from my pov.

UpAwfYerSeatWeeNippy · 25/04/2017 20:05

You cannot I know people up here that did that too. I lived in an area where It was quite eurosceptic in England over a decade ago and so I thought it would be leave, I would have tried a tactical remain vote too if I believed the polls and thought we stood a chance of swaying it to remain to avoid another indyref.

TinfoilHattie · 25/04/2017 22:44

I was a Remain voter in June last year. I'm also - and always have been - a very strong NO to independence. The two issues don't have the same weight at all. There just isn't the same strength of feeling about leaving/remaining in the EU as there is about leaving/remaining in the UK.

If there was another Independence referendum - and I really hope there's not - I'm not going to put my wish to rejoin the EU above my wish to say in the UK. Ever. Whatever the circumstances.

Nippy likes to think there is a very clear overlap with people who voted remain and her core support, and Brexiteers and Conservatives. It's really not like that at all.

morningtoncrescent62 · 28/04/2017 17:44

Love 'peak Nat' - hope it's true.

Once I see what we all vote in the council elections I'll put together a tactical voting spreadsheet for the general elections if I can and publish it on here. Then we have just under a month to get it out to our communities. Who is up for it?

Me, please, and I'll happily publicise it if you do it. I'm in a very safe SNP seat but it's only recently become that way - it was safe Labour for much longer than it's been safe SNP. At the last Westminster election Labour were a poor second and the other parties were nowhere, but in the hope that we're past peak Nat I'm interested in trends.

I'm a leftie No and dismayed at what Jezza has been saying about deals with the SNP. Surely no-one could look at the SNP's record in office and think they're a progressive party? I don't get it.

NoLotteryWinYet · 28/04/2017 18:17

Me either Mornington, just more evidence of his incompetence to me. I'd like to see the tactical vote updated after the locals!

morningtoncrescent62 · 05/05/2017 16:53

Well well. Some interesting results in my ward. The top candidate was Labour, by quite a comfortable margin. Both Labour and SNP had two candidates, and if you add the percentage vote for both candidates together they weren't far apart - SNP total share 32.6%, Labour total share 30.4%. That's more encouraging than I was expecting given the scale of the SNP majority in my neck of the woods.

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/05/2017 17:49

Once I see what we all vote in the council elections I'll put together a tactical voting spreadsheet for the general elections if I can and publish it on here. Then we have just under a month to get it out to our communities. Who is up for it?

Me too. I think my seat is a very shoogly peg for the SNP who took it from the Lib Dems for the but I think the Conservatives might now have a better chance.

StatisticallyChallenged · 05/05/2017 18:14

I don't think snp should be feeling quite so cocky now - lots of posts on Facebook about them being the biggest party in lots of councils bit in many places that disguises falling seats

They're only still the biggest because labour collapsed.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 19:40

I notice on C4 news the SNP rhetoric on Davidson has changed, they're now trying to claim she gets up every day obsessed with independence - which is them backing off surely since they are the Independence Party!

I can't think that's a happy political strategy for them - oh yeah, the tories, they're obsessed witn Scotland staying in the U.K.! Erm, yes.

It was as daft as labour attacking the tories for daring to suggest they abandon a commitment to not raising tax in the next parliament. Everyone knows the current labour policies are a tax nightmare.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 05/05/2017 19:51

I don't think snp should be feeling quite so cocky now - lots of posts on Facebook about them being the biggest party in lots of councils bit in many places that disguises falling seats

They have more seats than last time.

I notice on C4 news the SNP rhetoric on Davidson has changed, they're now trying to claim she gets up every day obsessed with independence - which is them backing off surely since they are the Independence Party!

It's true though. Watch the Scottish Parliament, or read the election leaflets. The Unionist parties are only interested in banging on about indy, while the SNAP get their heads down and try and get on with the day job.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 20:00

Hmm itsall that'd have a little more credibility if the SNP hadn't recently forced through a Scottish parliament vote on independence and held a 2 day debate on it!

WankersHacksandThieves · 05/05/2017 20:34

The Unionist parties are only interested in banging on about indy, while the SNAP get their heads down and try and get on with the day job.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 05/05/2017 20:47

You beat me to it. That's the funniest thing I've read all week. It was ewually funny when La Sturgeon herself said it.

It must have been impossible to post it with a straight face