Second referendum announced!

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Will your vote change next time?

yes before and yes now

the prospect of a right wing tory government for the foreseeable future is enough to convince me

santana

Yes voters seem to think that we would swan in, pick and choose what bits we want and then get busy telling everyone else what to do

havent you just described brexit, which Scotland didnt vote for?

Santana Please dont speak on behalf of yes voters. I am and I just posted on a different thread about how we wont get in to the EU. I dont want to be in the EU and i dont want to be part of the UK.
I doubt its a shock when people who want to vote away from a union that they dont want to join another :)

santana remember the SNP don't have to be anything as boringly linear as right about getting a deal with the EU quickly, they just have to have a few other quotable sources like the eu integration chap that agree with them - at least that's what they said about being flat wrong on oil prices 'other independent analysts agreed with our figures' - pro-independence ones presumably. It's ok to make hideously bad mistakes and saddle your country with an economic disaster as long as you can quote other sources to blame!

havent you just described brexit, which Scotland didnt vote for?

So? It's alright, as long as Scotland votes for it?

Why give up some influence for zero?

God help Scotland either way.

Out of EU...and Independent we are fucked and with more right wing UK politics they are unlikely to find getting any assistance from the uk easy once they have voted out. It is not going down well with the uk government and negotiations would be brutal. They will have no responsibility to us any more.

In the EU... and independent they are even more fucked. They would have terribly poor representation there and they would be in bed with possibly the likes of Marie Le Penn and wilders as the whole of the West is swinging to the right.

I think thr thing now is that people have lost any trust they did have in westminster...basucally as soon as the No vote came out. Remember the farce of "the vow" and how that was regailed upon pretty much immediately. About how we must stay so we can stay in the EU(!) And then to brexit itself when we were told all the money would go back to the NHS(!). I think now it just boils down to distrust.

I have to add Santana, that what you described is what I disliked about the UK's membership - there were special conditions that didn't apply to other member states.

It DID deliver the Smith Commission ...
Which DID deliver the Scotland Bill ...
Which WILL give us more powers.

Yes my tax code has reflected my Scottish status for some months now - so the tools to change the NHS and education with tax are available, this can't be about those issues anymore because independence is counter productive, a distracting side-show to using these powers.

I'm not sure your title is really right. Sturgeon can announce whatever she likes but another indyref won't happen without Westminster approval and I cannot see TM agreeing to it until after Brexit negotiations have been completed. Maybe by then oil price may have picked up or maybe not, have to wait and see but can't see a financially viable independent Scotland with it at its current price.

What happens when the oil runs out.

Nikki and pals have done precious little to boost the economy in scotland or to look after public services. It really is a sorry affair.

Do I get to apply for Scottish Passport if my grandad was from Edinburgh??

I think Westminster might allow it to stop the blame game... ie. Westminster won't let us have this, Westminster won't let us have that. They are worried it will push support up.

I hope the no-ers will be out and proud this time. I hope it will stay civilised though.

I hate the fact that the yes campaign hijacked the saltire. I'll never look at it the same again now.

How dramatic thegruffalo!

Eugh... Shoot me now!

I was a no last time and I'm still a no now.

I also voted against Brexit but I accept that votes can go either way when I cast my own.

So much "once in a lifetime chance". What they should have said that it's a once in a lifetime chance if it went their way, if not they'd keep harping on until they got their own way. Much like my 4yo at bedtime.

Otoh, perhaps the no campaign should just appropriate it right back to drive home the point hat we are just as pro Scotland as they are.

Melina When did Salmond or Sturgeon say it was once in a lifetime? I ask genuinely as, as far as I know, it was Cameron et al who said so, but the Yes campaign/SNP never did. Yet I keep saying people saying they also said it, so just wondered if I had missed it as I can't find evidence of it myself and no-one will link me to any. Not saying it is untrue but I can't find where they said it, is all.

She said it again and again and also said that a vote for the snp was not a vote for independence in the ge.

Here's a video for you of Salmond saying it

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11095210/Alex-Salmond-This-is-a-once-in-a-generation-opportunity-for-Scotland.html

I can vaguely remember salmond making a speech on the eve of the referendum along the lines of the once in a generation or something similar. Or was it the morning after. I can't even remember it properly but it was said by one of the pro-Indy heads.

We aren't even 24 hrs into this & already the claim/counterclaim & PA snarky comments on both sides have begun in earnest. This is going to be loooooong & brutal, and this time the whole thing will be on steroids.

Thanks. So it's once in a generation, instead of in a lifetime. Okay, I think that it would have been better to wait a few years to have the next referendum, but I am glad it's happening since Brexit came on the scene. I am tired of attending meetings as to the future of EU (non-UK) nationals in the UK, I would have preferred a remain vote in the first instance.

A no last time and NO this time. I am so angry about this.

No first time and no AGAIN but totally sick if it, she has made Scotland a laughing stock