Second referendum announced!

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Will your vote change next time?

84% of the UK population live in England and are represented in Parliament by English constituency MPs

It's perfectly fair as long as you don't live in one of the countries that are almost entirely ignored. The UK was meant to be a union of equals, not Wales/NI/Scot being treated as part of the Empire.

Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland are constituent parts of the UK with the appropriate representation in the UK parliament. In addition to that, they have something the English don't have - their own national parliaments/assemblies where issues that relate purely to Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish matters are discussed.

I would also point out that LEAVE won the EU referendum by 1,269,501 votes.

In Scotland 1,018,332 voted to leave the EU. In Northern Ireland 349,442 also voted to leave. Those combined votes enabled LEAVE to win the referendum. Without those Scottish and Northern Irish voters LEAVE would not have prevailed.

Wales as we know, voted almost 53% in favour of LEAVE.

Leaving the EU is far from an English decision inflicted on Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. Every UK citizen in all regions, was given a vote, and significant numbers of them wanted out of the EU, including over a million Scots.

This vote just shows that there is no linear thinking in politics by the public or politicians This isn't meant as an insult but how do the numbers stack up. Last time the finances were calculated with oil at $120 a barrel. Today it's around less than half that. What happens if the Shetlands vote no? 60% of the 50% costed disappears.
Second although I voted to stay in Europe why would you leave a body you feel does not represent you and happily join another that represents you even less. There's no logic to it. Just admit you don't like the English and have done with it.

Why should linear thinking be privileged and prized DrMobius? It can just as easily be called instrumentalism.

Yes another point that I don't understand - voting to leave the EU, disaster - make that better by voting to leave another union? When there is no clear choice to stay in the EU available to Scotland. So it's an awfully consequential protest vote which will beggar Scotland's poorest.

It all just gives me a headache. I kind of wish that I wasn't so engaged by politics as it seems to get us nowhere and makes me so steamed up.

Stripey is that the new SNP policy? To get rid of fuddy duddy " linear thinking"?

This might work!

I don't think the pro-independence campaighpners should be allowed to appropriate the saltire either. They don't love Scotland any more than the pro-union campaigners

This ^

I was a no and I am a bigger no now.

We will put the house on the market and go to england the morning after if it is a yes (which will mean relocating my husband's business, which will be a nightmare). I don't want Scottish citizenship, I want to keep my British citizenship.The Las one was not good for my health and I can't see a future here any more.

Well DrMorbius, I suppose I'd better tell DH's independence supporting English parents that they actually despise themselves.
Oh dear.

Yes D1az they must.

I'll let them down gently.

I can't believe this is happening again so soon. The last one feels about 3 weeks ago.

I voted no the last time after a lot of soul searching (started as a yes) because, basically, the maths didn't add up and I thought there was way too much at risk (mainly people's jobs). But this time round I'm not so sure. Neither is DH who was also a definite no last time. Brexit was just so fucking galling, such a kick in the teeth. I had and have no fondness for the Union but equally I don't feel much sense of Scottish patriotism.

I don't feel any anger towards Sturgeon or even May today. This is David Cameron's fault and he's trotted away from the mess he made.

i feel sick about it too, moving to Scotland was a lifelong dream for us and it feels like a disaster now. agent, I agree about the emotional kick in the teeth of brexit - but why would we want to make a bad economic situation worse? Falling house prices, falling job opportunities, higher taxes for fewer services - that may happen with Brexit at least whilst there is an adjustment, but is that a good enough reason for Scotland to also throw into the mix the complexities around independence? Frying pan to fire situation.

Spain will veto Scotland joining the EU and even if that doesn't happen they will have to go to the back of the queue behind the likes of Albania who have been waiting 20yrs to join. For me she just seems to want her page in history without fully appreciating what "independence" will mean in reality.

Ill vote yes

No then and still No. NS tried to use the "It's Scotland's oil" slant last time, so what is she going to use this time now that the arse has fallen out of the oil and gas industry.

This has been a very short generation - hmm...... didn't she tell us that there wouldn't be another referendum in this generation.

Didn't she also want to be judged on education? That's another joke as Scotland slides ever further down the international rankings due to their stupid Curriculum for Excellence.

Renewable energy= new jobs. Plus the bonus of not being lied to by westminster.

LEELULUMPKIN - you should read this article. It seems the EU have changed their minds since the referendum and would be willing to admit Scotland as a member and likely let Scotland jump the queue, on top of that Spain will likely not veto now.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/independent-scotland-would-have-to-apply-to-join-eu-commission-says

The guardian nah...

So long as NS keeps the Scottish people firmly wrapped up in the independence debate, she can avoid all the difficult bits like .....I don't know ..... running the country using the considerable devolved powers she's got. But that's hard work and difficult - far better to just ramp up the anti-English rhetoric and sabre rattle for the next two years. Saves doing any actual thinking. Think we all saw the true colours of this party when they blocked the change of law to extended Sunday opening hours in England. A law already PASSED IN SCOTLAND but blocked by the bloc-voting SNP just because they don't vote for anything Tory. And they admitted this - loud and proud. It's like something out of the playground.

Did you read the article @Rainbunny?

The man who claims 'the EU' has changed their minds (did he ask them all?) is head of a independent, not-for-profit think tank, committed to making European integration work.

Now. Is he going to turn around and suggest otherwise?!

It would be laughable if it wasn't so cryable.

Spain seems unlikely to veto now, that much is true.

it's a No from me guys xx

I don't think entry is a particular problem. The conditions of entry and the influence of Scotland within the EU are problems.

Yes voters seem to think that we would swan in, pick and choose what bits we want and then get busy telling everyone else what to do.

If we don't have enough influence in Westminster (as we are constantly reminded), it's not bloody rocket science to work out that we will have zilch to sweet fuck all in the EU as an independent country.