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nyx that article is from the middle of last year, Nicholas McPherson who wrote the article says it all hinges on Scotland being able to stay in the EU... the EC have said its likely to take many years to join the EU so its unlikely the writers argument stands up today.

Where have they said it's likely to take many years?

Where have they said it's likely to take many years?

Well, quite apart from the admission process itself, we'd need to get our economy to a state where it met the entry requirements. It's already in a bad way, and with the costs of independence on top can only get worse. This in itself will likely take years to sort out.

Except when her resources are being exploited.

But they aren't Scotland's resources. Scotland as an independent state hasn't existed for centuries. Oil was discovered in UK waters, through UK engineering and UK investment and Scotland was and remains part of the UK. Just because the oil fields are closer to Scotland than they are to the rest of the UK, doesn't mean they are Scotland's resources.

What other resources are you referring to? The landscape - as in the siting of military facilities and so on? Again, these are UK facilities on UK territory. Whisky - what?

I genuinely don't understand what you think is being 'exploited'?

Well you don't believe that Scotland is a sovereign country that has any resources so I can see where you're coming from. And I can't even. I mean to say. I am not going to list all of Scotland's many resources just for you to say 'that's a UK resource'.

Fontella please google 'the mccrone report'

http://www.positivescotland.com/The-McCrone-report-An-embarrassment-of-riches(1).pdf

Did it for you

nyx, Scotland will be out of the EU for an indeterminate period - www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/10/european-commission-independent-scotland-would-have-join-queue/

also looks like NS is going to abandon her plan to join the EU anyway as is being reported today - uk.news.yahoo.com/nicola-sturgeon-abandons-bid-remain-000100489.html

YouCannot: Elmar Brok MEP: Scotland joining the EU will be 'easy' with 'not much to negotiate'.

People talking about the deficit are assuming that an independent Scotland will spend what the UK spends. And it just won't. At all.

Paraphrased from a (can't believe I'm saying this) Daily Record opinion piece: "Scotland IS a nation. It could be independent. In the last year Scotland raised about £53 billion in taxes. That is enough to cover the NHS, education, pensions and benefits without a single cut. It even covers debt repayments with billions to spare. That is not a surprise - our neighbour Ireland raises about as much in taxes and manages to provide health, education and social protection. What Ireland doesn't do is pay for the remnants of empire in the form of a big defence budget, large embassies and the lot."

I see Boris is talking in the Commons about a new royal yacht. Lovely.

'that's a UK resource'.

Because they are a UK resource. Scotland is part of the UK.

Why do you see everything from such a biased perspective? Invention, innovation and the resources of other parts of the UK have benefitted Scots too, and continue to do so.

www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/06/snp-economist-admits-alex-salmond-wrong-independence-oil-bonus/amp/

Elmar Brok MEP: Scotland joining the EU will be 'easy' with 'not much to negotiate'.

One MEP does not speak for their nation let alone the whole counsel.

Helicopters and fancy cars-Nikki

That's all i'm saying

People talking about the deficit are assuming that an independent Scotland will spend what the UK spends. And it just won't. At all

Scotland already spends more proportionally than the UK. That is why we have the highest budget deficit of any country in the EU, even higher than Greece.

Peggy - that yahoo link is hilarious. Talk about making it up as you go.

that yahoo link is hilarious. Talk about making it up as you go

that's an article from the telegraph, yahoo are just repeating really. and yep she is making it up as she goes...

That is not a surprise - our neighbour Ireland raises about as much in taxes and manages to provide health, education and social protection

You mean the Ireland whose eurozone economy crashed so spectacularly that had to be bailed out by the ECB (and the 14 billion back door bail-out funded by UK taxpayers) and which is only just starting to recover after years of austerity?

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/9813358/British-taxpayers-funded-Irelands-14bn-bail-out.html

www.thejournal.ie/ireland-financial-crisis-2399298-Oct2015/

We have been screwed over since the 2014 No vote. We were screwed before that. I've got being screwed over fatigue

Why don't you blame the government at Holyrood then?

Westminster has not "screwed us over" Holyrood on the other hand does little but whinge.

Scottishdiem, just thought I'd say that I deplore the immigration system that doesn't accept your husband. And I am pro Union.

You mean the Ireland whose eurozone economy crashed so spectacularly that had to be bailed out by the ECB (and the 14 billion back door bail-out funded by UK taxpayers) and which is only just starting to recover after years of austerity?

Yes she is and I don't think the uk will be so generous when dealing with their own brexit situation.

So do I actually Scotish diem and I am pro union too.

The petition is at 127500 now yay!!!

It would take years for you to get in the eu.
For a start you would not be of any financial benefit to the eu, you would be a drain of course you can apply but it wouldnt take a week youd be waiting in the list with the other who applied.
You would have no currency which would be an issue.
Limited resources as well as no help from uk government.
Your elections would be between the snp and the snp
You would have very little armed forces because all the ships, tanks, guns you guessed it are the uks.
Oil prices are dropping
You wouldnt be apart of nato so a tiny country on its own...with oil...screams iraq to me.
You would have 36 countries have to say you could join nato ... one of which would be a pissed uk.

I think scotland being independent in itself is not a bad thing I just think the country has some work to do before it could float.

Has NS seriously rolled back on EU membership already? After all the claims that her hand had been forced (because she didn't really want a referendum ) and that she had to call a referendum to protect Scotland's place in the EU?

If she's not going to apply for EU membership straight away anyway, what is the new excuse reason that she absolutely has to call one now? And what possible justification is there for choosing a time within the Brexit negotiations, when there's maximum uncertainty for everyone, including Scots?

It's beyond a shambles.

Exactly youcannot

I haven't seen any quotes by NS or anyone other than ' nationalist sources' - so I will wait and see about that EU claim. However the article in the telegraph states: "Nationalist sources said that Ms Sturgeon saw EFTA membership as amore realistic goal than full EU membership, and 
suggested an independent Scotland could decide whether it wanted to join the EU at a later date, perhaps after a third referendum.
Members of EFTA – currently Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Liechtenstein – are outside the EU but they can get single market access in return for complying with rules set by Brussels." And it is the single market the SNP tried to argue Scotland should continue to access. But Teresa May ignored.
Plus, some people do want Scottish independence but not the EU. Fair for Scotland to choose ourselves when independent surely?

And the circumstances where a second Indy ref could be called are being met. We are being taken out of the EU against the will of the majority in Scotland. So a ref is being called.