Second referendum announced!

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Will your vote change next time?

Brexit presents challenges but it's hardly the apocalypse as far as the UK is concerned. Lots of companies are already pledging continued investment. The UK has a strong economy and will be able to weather the storm. The same cannot be said of an independent Scotland, with no UK and no EU to support it.

equally i am terrified of a Scotland tethered to England after Brexit.

You're not 'tethered' to anything.

You are a part of the UK. A constituent part, the same of the rest of us whether we live in wilds of West Wales, the Isle of Wight or the Yorkshire Dales. As a citizen of the UK you had a vote in the referendum on the EU. More citizens of the UK voted to leave the EU than didn't, including 1.1 million Scots ... so we are leaving.

In 2014 you were given an opportunity to leave the UK, however 2 million Scots voted to remain, so you stayed.

That is how democracy works.

and?

oh that professor, he only thinks we can survive if we stay in the single market but that doesn't look like its going to happen...

Nyx - yes. Why do they?

I agree with what Youcannot said but also...

Because it's not difficult for them... we are only a small place and so the the perks from the Barnet formula are tolerable for them. They would rather help us keep stability through rocky times, than have some sort of impoverished dying apendige attached to them.(sorry that is my view of an independent scotland)

They would inevitably be expected by the rest of the world to keep bailing us out which would cost more than staying in the union. They wouldn't want to keep handing us money to get us out of the shit and it would make them look bad.

oh that professor, he only thinks we can survive if we stay in the single market but that doesn't look like its going to happen...

Better not risk independence then, eh Calyx?

I'm surprised you guys ever left home to get your own place or started a business or did anything financially difficult in order to gain self respect and a chance to do well for yourselves

Calyx72 you cant seriously be comparing leaving home to a country dividing up...

calyx72 you are the weakest link - goodbye!

Great argument Calyx, well done. You've changed my mind .

I see the SNP has created a web site to help fund its battle www.ref.scot/ I'm sure they can go and ask the weirs for more money, who in their right mind would help fund the SNP fight?

I want a Yes vote so I can come home from Dublin. UK Home Office really doesnt like my DP. Hoping for a more humane immigration policy from an independent Scotland.

We are tethered to the xenophobia, nativism and basic racisim of Daily Mail readers who then influence Westminster government policy (of all UK parties).

Yes some of us move, home start up businesses and take considered risks.

Being hot headed and throwing your toys out of the pram when you do not get your own way is NEVER a good business decision.

You have to keep assessing the risks and planning for the future. You take risks based on probability like a decision tree for an investment appraisal.

Independence is certainly not a good decision at the moment.

Peggy - how rude. Of course it was an analogy which in my opinion was relevant.

@peggyundercrackers

Me. And I am very much in my right mind.

As for dividing a country up - depends on how you view a country I supposed. I am not masterbating at the thought of my shiny new British Passport as I feel nothing but contempt for the UK as a political body.

why has the Scottish economy only grown by 0.7% compared to the UKs @ 2.4% since 2014?

Scottishdiem

Do you want in to your passport normally then?

How strange!

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Peggy- because the economic levers are held by the UK government in the main

I'm surprised you guys ever left home to get your own place or started a business or did anything financially difficult in order to gain self respect and a chance to do well for yourselves

Independence is nothing like leaving home for goodness sake! It's more like divorcing your spouse despite many years of successful marriage, then setting up a second home with no idea of how you'll pay the mortgage, because you couldn't agree on whether to watch the football or strictly come dancing and didn't want to use the second TV in the bedroom. (The second TV being the Scottish parliament in this rather stretched analogy, which gives Scots the power to go their own way and do their own thing on the vast majority of issues anyway.)

I meant the shiny blue ones that Brexiters lust after but my train of thought got disrupted and it doesnt make sense.

Basically I find people who identify as British and the UK a bit odd when they complain about those of us who prefer to identify with only one of its parts.

Successful marriage - hahahahahahahaha.

Threat of independence, has led to lack of investment and NS has done nothing to provide businesses with certainty.

I feel nothing but contempt for the UK as a political body.

on that we both agree.

Peggy- because the economic levers are held by the UK government in the main

Sigh

Successful marriage - hahahahahahaha:

"“Consideration of objective criteria ...all point to a nuclear Rosyth” according to a draft minute prepared for the then Scottish Secretary, Ian Lang, and choosing Devonport to undertake the refit work would be “seeking to defend the transparently indefensible”. Civil servants in the Scottish Office accused their Whitehall colleagues of showing “a south of England bias” over the decision, with David Miller, Mr Lang’s private secretary, writing: “It is very plain that a considerable anti-Rosyth lobby exists within MoD.”

At the time, both yards were engaged in a competition to become Britain’s sole nuclear dockyard as part of an MoD review of its ship-refitting capabilities. Despite Scottish Office concerns and the subsequent ill-feeling generated in Scotland, a decision was taken to move all the Navy's submarine refit work to Devonport, resulting in the downgrade of Rosyth to a surface ship refit facility employing far fewer staff."

Peggy, I've donated and I'm in my right mind