Second referendum announced!

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Will your vote change next time?

I also think that while on the whole English people have been supportive of scotland's right to decide and would not seek to interfere, if we did go independent and break the union it would be very naive to believe that English people on the whole would be very sympathetic if it turned in to a disaster.
Don't forget that down there all they hear is sturgeon banging on about what "the people of scotland" want. There is very little criticism in the press and she appears to be admired in a sort of "awww isn't she sweet she's like an fluffy little angry socialist bunny rabbit" way. Some people fall for it that she is fighting for what scottish people on the whole want because the BBC is bloody relentlessly peddling her tripe.

Let's hope this petition gets loads of attention right accross the uk.
I want the whole uk to get the message loud and clear that that woman does not speak for all scottish people.

I'm glad it's not just me who's noticed that Thegruffalowswife. Why aren't journalists challenging her on the assumptions she's making (that Scotland could walk into EU membership on favourable terms - no evidence to support this) or the logical inconsistencies (Brexit is a disaster because we'll lose all trade with the EU market, but leaving the UK (worth at least 4 times more) will be fine because we won't lose any trade ). It drives me mad!

My FB is rammed with yessers complaining of BBC bias and MSM (mainstream media) lies. They passionately believe that the BBC is hugely invested in the union.

I found someone who is actually reporting on the petition! 107,000 votes now.

stv.tv/news/politics/1383060-thousands-sign-petition-to-block-second-referendum/

107,079

I think what we'll see is a much stronger campaign to remain in the UK this time round than there was last time where the nationalists had all the passion

Nyx - The Barnett formula would obviously disappear but in its place we would have all of the money raised in Scotland to use as we see fit.

How much tax goes up to replace this, which taxes, tell us how Scotland meets EU entry criteria based on the current 9.5% of GDP current budget deficit, and then allowing for a larger deficit based on the effects of Brexit and Independence. Let's get past 'I love Scotland, it has a creative economy, diversity, renewables, water'.. You can assert anything...

I think what we'll see is a much stronger campaign to remain in the UK this time round than there was last time where the nationalists had all the passion

I agree with this. I certainly kept my head down last time to avoid abuse, but I never really believed it would happen. This time around it feels too close to call and there's too much at stake to let the Nationalists take the momentum.

I agree. The better together campaign was beyond shite, a laughing stock. All it did was add power to the yes campaigns elbow.

This time I think no will simply have to do better. Both sides are of course talking about 'learning lessons from the past' but we'll see how that goes.

Whether or not I can face raising my head above the parapet, I don't know.

blaming main stream media - another thing Corbyn, Brexiteers, Trump have in common. It's never been easier to access the media for politicians yet somehow the independence message is being controlled?

I honestly think that we are allowed to get away with thinking we are very special and everyone loves us and owes us something under the snp. That is increasingly not the case.

She is creating a monster which will turn around and eat us.

People complain here that english people are not interested enough or don't care enough about scotland.

There are 5mil people in scotland.

How much do scottish people know about political issues that only effect London?

There are 8mil people in London, who are continuously alluded to as being rich, arrogant etc. Many of those people are desperately poor. Westminster is a very impoverished area and it makes me sick every time I hear the SNP bang on about it.
Poor people in england know the Barnet formula is generous to Scotland. Many accept it because they value Scotland as part of the team, but when nicola sturgeon starts banging on about scottish people being poor and english westminster rich, tory, racists etc.

Do you expect them to still love us after that?

i am in the same boat, i feel independence is an even worse outcome for Scotland now, last time i used to duck to avoid friends covered in their yes vote kit - the one time i tried to have a small no thanks sticker it got ripped off in the playground of my kid's school! But I will have to find the guts...

I said NOTHING last time through absoloute fear. I have only got the guts to say anything since October. We need a very organised aproach. Last Time the yes machine was a perfectly orchestrated propoganda machine. We were too fractured. We need to stick together and get heard this time... come on Ruth we need you!!!

Thegruffalo - "The only people standing up for the scottish people at the moment is ironically the tories at Westminster!"

Ok, you win. I can't argue with that.

(I have a straight face, honest )

Kezia has been more vocal lately too!!! She was all wishy washy for a while.

Last time, I would not have dared to display a Better Together poster, or wear a badge or sticker from the campaign.

I had a few Yes voting friends who knew I was a No voter, and who were happy to respect my decision, as I did theirs. But I would not have considered discussing it with someone unless I either knew them well enough to know we could disagree in a civilised fashion, or I knew that they shared my views.

As a No voter, I felt very insecure and actually frightened, during the campaign - that, I think, is part of what caused me to become ill, towards the end of it.

This has rather put a spanner in the works. It seems the Scots aren't quite so pro EU as has been assumed ...

Eurosceptic views in Scotland pose dilemma for Nicola Sturgeon

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/15/eurosceptic-views-in-scotland-pose-dilemma-for-nicola-sturgeon

I dont get this point - leaving the EU good for control and sovereignty and acceptably loss of trading markets and employers (just got a job in Dublin with an EU wide enterprise that needs EU regulation). Leaving the UK bad but with the same up and down sides.

I would take a level of consistency and reasoned arguement but most people seem to be driven by hate here.

There has been another poll today, reported in the Times, showing that support for independence is lagging 14 points behind support for the Union.

During the last Holyrood elections, I spent about 20 minutes talking to our local SNP candidate on my doorstep. He was very open and honest about the fact that the SNP did not want another referendum until they knew they could win it - which, as far as he was concerned, meant consistent support for independence in the polls - and not just 51/49 in favour of independence - but looking for consistent support of around 60%, before triggering another referendum.

I wonder if Nicola has called for a referendum now, because she knows she can't be the leader who lets Scotland be swept along in whatever Brexit deal Theresa May negotiates, and she knows the grass roots supporters in her party would revolt if she didn't have a solid plan for Indyref2 to give to her party conference this year - but secretly she is hoping Theresa May will say No to another referendum - then she won't have to risk losing a second referendum, but will be able to blame it all on Evil Westminster.

Hate?

"Child Poverty

• In Westminster, 37% of children live in income-deprived households with 24% of children (9,000 children) living in severe child poverty, the fifth highest borough in the country. (Westminster Primary Care Trust Annual report 2012-13)"

This gives you an idea. It is published in WordPress.

What do you think the 37% of childeren in Westminster will think of the snp and their grabby ways? With their sneery westminster this, Westminster that attitude?