Second referendum announced!

[Isadora2007]

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Will your vote change next time?

Diaz and others, I'm in no way against anyone who votes SNP or is a Yesser even though I don't and I wasn't (as yet undecided but leaning towards No again, which is a tough decision post-Brexit).

One thing I hate about these referenda is not only how they bring out anti-English sentiment in the bottom feeding members of society but massive amounts of anti-Scottish sentiment. Last time round was ugly and I don't feel ready.

I agree coops. I don't think it brings out the best in people.

It has also brought about the idea that even completely scottish people are not "scottish enough" if they voted no.

have seen reports of polls recently saying 60%+ of Scots don't even want another referendum

Do you know what the precise question was?

I get how Brexit is a game changer. I'm mightily pissed off about it myself. But how can we be in this situation again and still not have answers on some of the big questions that weren't answered the last time such as EU membership and currency? As much as I would love for TM to vetoe a 2nd referendum I can see that doing so would create an outcry. At least if it happens again and its a No again that would put an end to things once and for all (or maybe not)

still not have answers on some of the big question

I think that the idea is that by the time of the referendum this big questions will be answered and we will also know the terms of the Brexit.

I hope so ItsAll!

Leaving the UK doesn't protect Scotland from the economic impact of a hard Brexit, it worsens it. If our main trading partner (rUK) has a huge recession, it'll effect us, and every country we trade with. It's a fallacy to think independence gives Scotland independence from the economic consequences of Brexit, it will worsen and add to them.

Affect even! And if the tax regime is punitive in Scotland, the higher earners will relocate.

Something that is bothering me and I would like other people's opinions.

SNP and yes voters are convinced the SNP have a mandate for this new ref for 2 reasons.

1 The SNP gained most seats in 2015
2 They said if Scotland voted No and the rest of the UK voted leave then this was material change.

On option 1 the FPTP voting system gave them the most seats yes but more people voted for a all the other parties than voted for the SNP. Also NS clearly stated that a vote in 2015 for the SNP did not mean a vote for a new independence referendum and if elected they would work for the whole of Scotland.

On point 2 NS clearly said before the Brexit vote if Scotland votes remain and is dragged out of the EU it will trigger an indy vote. She blatantly skewed the result up here. There is no way of knowing what Scotland would have voted if she hadn't put that into the minds of people. She should have said nothing. With only 600k votes in it who actually knows how we would have voted.

It really doesn't, does it gruffalo? I got into some right nasty arguments on here last time as there were a few posters who took it as an opportunity to declare open season on 'the Scottish character,' our alleged small mindedness, parochialism etc. I made it clear that I was no fan of Salmond or the SNP but I was not having that. It got into some serious nasty bigotry.

One thing that saddened me about last time was that there was no campaign I felt happy to align myself with. Better Together was fucking awful. My politics are firmly on the left and I will March for causes I care about, whether that's women's rights, refugees' rights, against Brexit. But there was no voice on the left for No voters and I felt adrift. I knew plenty of people whose political views are similar to mine who voted No, who I'm sure would have loved to have felt there was some intelligent, left-leaning voice that reflected their views but there wasn't.

My reason for voting no was mainly maths - the figures didn't add up (and I don't even have a Higher Maths and I could see that). My grandad was a striking miner, of whom I was immensely proud and I could see things going the same way - loads of people, whole areas losing employment as British employers moved out. I asked both Nicola Sturgeon and Mhairi Black in separate we chats on here how they'd have dealt with that and neither answered (despite me getting in early!) Mhairi Black did answer my later question about which student union she went to at Glasgow, though I got the distinct feeling that neither of them had an answer.

Yes but they wont all be in scotland will they?

Yes they are. You must input a post code.


Mhairi Black did answer my later question about which student union she went to at Glasgow, though

If you only needed one reason to vote No it is Mhairi Black.

If you only needed one reason to vote No it is Mhairi Black.

I second that.

Grim woman.

You can see the petition signers represented on a map, and yes, they are all in Scotland

They're not. Areas where no-one has signed would appear in grey. The whole map is at least yellow showing that at least one person has signed in every area.

The entire Tory cabinet are grim and a good reason for voting Yes.

The entire Labour party are grim and getting worse so are also a good reason for voting Yes.

I'm not Scottish and am getting a couple of additional passports (one eu and one non eu) due to my immigrant grandparents to hedge my bets. I really would like the UK to remain together but completely see why scotland could vote for independence. At this rate the only ones left in England could be the expats sent back from the EU and an awful lot of little Englanders. I remember the last indyref...I really wanted Scotland to stay from completely selfish reasons....I would miss you

I like Mhairi Black, her first speech in the house of commons was bloody brilliant

What about her foul mouthed sectarian rant ?

Or her idiotic comments about holding her nose and voting remain? The ballot box is secret but even there she (a) does what Nicola tells her to and (b)is too thick to realise how riduculous that comment made her look.

I'm not Scottish and am getting a couple of additional passports

Oh I assume they will offer one to anyone living in Scotland. I would rather not have a passport at all than a Scottish one.

What is that,Lass?

*why

They're not. Areas where no-one has signed would appear in grey. The whole map is at least yellow showing that at least one person has signed in every area.

This is pedantry of the highest order. If you roll over the English constituencies you get 30, 40, 50 signatures (that kind of order). Roll over the Scottish ones and you get 700, 800, 900.... The vast majority of signatories are Scottish and the votes in the rUK really are negligible.

I liked the fact she spoke up for women losing out by being born a few months too late on their pension deal, I like the fact she said in her opening speech that she was the only under 25 yr old in the country who gets housing benefit, her sectarian rant was stupid but not a deal breaker at all to me, we've all said stupid things we've regretted when we were young, she's no different

This is pedantry of the highest order

I wasn't being pedantic I was being correct. I agree there is a greater concentration of signing in Scotland than rUK. Indeed in the area with most signatures up to 1.41% of constituents have signed